Ignoring Gold Income?

[Bandobras Took]

So, Gold lets you rushbuy stuff and buy city states.

But if you don't have positive gold, the deficit just gets subtracted from your science.

That's it.

No unit strikes, no autodisbanding, no buildings removed -- your tech rate just slows down.

That right there eases the sting of building and unit maintenance, but the question I have is: are there any particular advantages that come from pushing this idea? I mean, the obvious one is that a University that increases your science by more than 3 is essentially paying its own maintenance, but does ignoring gold bring anything else to the table?

 

[Slowpoke]

Actually they do start disbanding after moderate gold ignoring, unfortunately. But even if it didn't you'd be so far behind in science it wouldn't be worthwhile, like ignore happiness sometimes is.

 

[Bandobras Took]

What's the break point for disbanding? Is it amount of turns in deficit or a certain amount of deficit?

 

[Slowpoke]

What's the break point for disbanding? Is it amount of turns in deficit or a certain amount of deficit?

Saw something in the xmls regarding a -10, but that doesn't seem right *shrug*. In any case, lack of science would still kill ya :/

 

[Monthar]

They don't start disbanding with a negative income unless you are also at a 0 balance, or if your negative income is enough to put you below zero when you end your turn. At that point one or more units will get disbanded to cover the deficit.

Examples:
10 (-20) will likely result in disbanding 1 unit provided that unit is worth at least 10 gold when disbanded.

50 (-300) will disband 250 gold worth of units.

Keep in mind you only get something like 10% of the cost of the unit when disbanding.

 

[Bandobras Took]

Ugh. Is it consistent or random? I only ask because I was heading into zero in a late game and didn't notice any units getting disbanded, but I'm seeing it now in an early game.

 

[lindanealmck]

The gold management problem has gotten easier. All of the puppets quit buying useless buildings, and are set to gold focus. I actually been able to buy diplomatic victories, and finish with 20,000 gold (at Prince level). I have even set the workers to automatic without any major problems. Unit maintenance costs are also lower, so large armies are no problem.

 

[Lyoncet]

On top of the problems pointed out here, your initial premise is flawed. Gold is used for rushbuying units/buildings, buying off city states, purchasing tiles, research agreements, purchasing resources you can't get through trade or settling, and occasionally as bribes for starting/ending wars (which is probably one of the best ROI you can get, and one of the most frequently overlooked uses).

And yeah, unless you're playing lolmarathon or duel, you'd better be getting some sort of huge boost to… I don't know, hammers or something, since those 0 bpt you'll have incurred would make your life miserable even if your units weren't disbanding. Plus, unless you're playing without city-states, there's no excuse not to be buying them off as often as you can.

 

[civzombie]

I was playing a game last night w/ where I had 0 gold and negative 50+ per turn. I did not experience any unit disbanding.

I got the negative gpt by taking out a huge loan during a golden age (in fact I borrowed against every single GPT I had and then spent the whole loan amount), and then having my golden age end. Not sure if the reason for the deficit has something to do with it...

 

[harry_flashman]

Civzombie - a position as CEO of a banking organisation seems to be your calling in life.

 

[civzombie]

Yea, I have the applications pending.

Come to think of it, I did not tell you the whole story. I did as I described (taking out a huge loan, then spending all my money to leave a huge GPT penatly per turn). What I failed to mention is that I then declared war on the creditor (russia), and then with my renewed gold surplus then borrowed against every cent of income on a new loan from Persia, the proceeds of which I of course also immediatly spent. Persia and Russia were on different continents and hadn't met each other, by the way. So, the -50+ GPT was technically from a different creditor than the first one...

My pitch in the job application is that I want to bring the concept of total war to banking negotiations, for, of course, massive profit.

 

[Bandobras Took]

 

[cindle]