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Interview with Firaxis' Dennis Shirk!

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Shanghai Six, Oct 19, 2010.

  1. eviltypeguy

    eviltypeguy Warlord

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    I disagree; and your continued snarky comments about calling Civilization 5 "Shafer 5" show your true bias. It's hard to take your comments seriously whenever you continue to indulge in petty name games.

    Please stop implying that the game will only be better if everyone holds to the same view you have of Civilization V.
     
  2. Bad Brett

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    He kind of blames Shafer for everything. Of course, the only way to prevent them from releasing Shafer VI is to not play the game. That way they may realise that they made a bad decision.
     
  3. Thormodr

    Thormodr Servant of Civ Supporter

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    2K Games shares some of the blame too for forcing Firaxis to release the game half baked. I don't agree with Shafer's design and vision but he got seriously screwed by 2K Games as well.

    Still, it's his baby. It's Shafer 5 and it will go down as the worst iteration of Civ in history. Shame...
     
  4. DiabolicX

    DiabolicX Chieftain

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    What is with some people on this forum...its like you have to say everything slowly and concise. Take what I said with a grain of salt would ya?

    People as in not everyone people, not some people, not alot of people, not all people, just people...ok? :)
     
  5. Gatsby

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    "Many" is still a concern, even if it is not the majority
     
  6. Thormodr

    Thormodr Servant of Civ Supporter

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    It's Shafer's baby so I'll call it Shafer 5. It certainly isn't civilization anymore. Perhaps you'd prefer Panzer General follies or Civilization: Deevolution.

    Doesn't matter what you call it though. It's still a dud.

    You can have a different view if you like. No one is stopping you.
     
  7. Lightzy

    Lightzy Warlord

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    I really enjoyed the interview.
    Shirk makes really good points. obvious though, except to anyone too full of rage to contain logic.
    The interview seems to make a lot of promises though for features to come.

    Think of how much time went by between vanilla civ4 at release (eh) and the fully patched BTS (wowza, but still some annoying things)......
    The interview seems to promise that many features will be integrated into civ5 in the future in patches/xp packs.
    Religion, more diplomacy, espionage...

    I only hope that with the upcoming patches and content the people at firaxis abandon this "dude, your 88 year old grandmom and 6 year old nephew has to be able to play this AND WIN IT ON DEFAULT DIFFICULTY or you're all fired" mentality and revert even a bit to what everyone on every civ community seems to want...

    At the very least all systems should be balanced so that every strategic/tactical option has its place and there are no exploits whatsoever
     
  8. eviltypeguy

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    And you can call Civilization 5 "Shafer 5" all you want; it doesn't make it factually true.

    Sid's name is still on it; he allowed it and we know Sid has played it.

    It also clearly shares many core concepts with previous Civilization games, so I think your vague insinuations are not well justified.
     
  9. SuperJay

    SuperJay Bending Space and Time

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    Duly noted. I'm sure Thor will be devastated to learn of your disapproval. ;)
     
  10. Bad Brett

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    Sid had some great ideas 20 years ago (Pirates!, Railroad Tycoon, Civilization), but I feel that he deserves about 10% of the credit he gets. Brian Reynolds designed Colonization, Civilization II and Alpha Centauri, possibly the three greatest Firaxis/Microprose games released, along with Civ IV (designed by Soren Johnsen).

    The games Sid Meier has designed the last decade have mostly been crap:

    SimGolf, Railroads!, Civilization: Revolution

    :yuck:

    Team up Brian Reynolds and Soren Johnsen to make Civilization VI with Sid Meier as supervisor, let Shafer port Shafer 5 to consoles.
     
  11. serikas

    serikas Chieftain

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    I really hope Shafer wanted more good civ systems in it but then time/money ran out, and planning to have them in expansions.. though stuff like global hapiness makes be doubtful.

    And if this is really as Shafer's design goal, then Firaxis should give him paper, scissors, and some crayons to make civ p&p board game, and let someone else lead the design.
     
  12. Benzidrine

    Benzidrine Chieftain

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    Soren Johnsen personally wrote the entire AI for civ 3 and 4 then he went on to work on spore. I wouldn't want to see him back on the design team for civ 6 with those "credentials".
     
  13. Monadenia

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    I don't really see what's shocking here. There has always been an attempt to streamline Civ games, which is to say make it easier for people who aren't Civ players to become Civ players.

    Here's a link to a Civ IV Q&A that talks about how they were doing a lot of streamlining. Talking about the firepower system from Civ II, for instance, we have Civ IV Senior Producer Barry Caudill:
    I guess this means they were trying to dumb down Civ IV, too? Personally, I don't see it that way. What I see is the constant struggle to, while keeping the core Civ values (as they have done with every game), make it easier for more people to become familiar with and enjoy the games.
     
  14. Pnutmaster

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    Don't be so quick to condemn the man for Spore. It had potential, and it too was streamlined in the end (compare e3 demos of the game back to back).

    I think Firaxis has forgotten why we love "complex" games. I was proud to master the "enigmatic" interface of Civ IV, and appreciated it all the more once I had. There's a sense of ownership there that I can't feel towards Civ V. This was reflected in the way I accidentally won my first Civ V game--it was a hollow victory that anyone could have achieved.
     
  15. Geddy

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    I reckon that they will get hardly any. Who bought that game?
     
  16. Osetjka

    Osetjka Gondorian Armor Command

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    Indeed that is damning, if not honest. I rest my case. :eek:

    On another note, I do like the term "angry forumer". :goodjob:
     
  17. Disgustipated

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    I just wanted to point out to Schaffer America is slowly becoming communist. It can happen. All you need is the schools to brainwash the kids...
     
  18. zonk

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    In a way, I guess you could say my complaint is that it just feels like the first time they 'succeeded' :lol::lol::lol:
     
  19. moscaverde

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    This, unfurtunately.
     
  20. Thormodr

    Thormodr Servant of Civ Supporter

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    That would be the dream team all right. :goodjob:
     

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