Fascinating that Dennis is pretty much saying the CiV was made for the console crowd looking for something a bit more in depth...which in a way is a great big middle finger to all those CIV players out there like me. I've been playing two strategy games almost permanently for the last few years. CIV and Sim City 4. I feel the same way about CiV as I do about Sim City Societies. My two favourite franchises have been shat upon to appease the console generation. I don't mean that in a derogatory way, I like a blast around Colin McRae's Dirt 2 on my XBox 360 for half an hour hear and there as much as the next guy, but where do I get my deep and meaningful strategy fix now? CIV and Sim City 4 that's where.