Iron Works
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My last 2 games I've been able to build the Iron Works, through no fault of my own. The first time I took Tokyo from the Japanese during ancient times. It was in a lousy location, wedged between mountains and tundra. It turned out to be an ironworks site, but the terrain was so bad it still wasn't amazingly productive (even though the forbidden city was one town over in kyoto).
My last game, it turned out my capital was an iron works site. I felt smart for deciding to found my city over one square since I decided jungle was better than desert.
Both games were Vanilla Civ 1.29f on a standard map. I just had to gloat since it will probably be another year before I get to build another.
My last game, it turned out my capital was an iron works site. I felt smart for deciding to found my city over one square since I decided jungle was better than desert.
Both games were Vanilla Civ 1.29f on a standard map. I just had to gloat since it will probably be another year before I get to build another.
billindenver
King
Once time just happened to build a city in the right place.
The other time, the AI Persians built this crappy little city on a hill surrounded by mountains and desert. After I fought a war against them, this city was destroyed, as was another PRIME city on a river with grasslands and flood plains. I immediately built a settler and sent him to the prime spot, hoping to beat the Zulus.
I saw their settler, and he could have easily beat me to the prime spot, but instead, he skipped that spot and headed straight for the desert/mountain location and built a new city.
This was WAY before coal was discovered. The AI definitely knows where all the resources are even before they are discovered.
Oh, and the city I built myself, two different AI's spent a lot of capital trying to take that city, with it's lovely jungle/mountain terrain
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The other time, the AI Persians built this crappy little city on a hill surrounded by mountains and desert. After I fought a war against them, this city was destroyed, as was another PRIME city on a river with grasslands and flood plains. I immediately built a settler and sent him to the prime spot, hoping to beat the Zulus.
I saw their settler, and he could have easily beat me to the prime spot, but instead, he skipped that spot and headed straight for the desert/mountain location and built a new city.
This was WAY before coal was discovered. The AI definitely knows where all the resources are even before they are discovered.
Oh, and the city I built myself, two different AI's spent a lot of capital trying to take that city, with it's lovely jungle/mountain terrain
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planetfall
Emperor
I would agree with Pk Ranger. I have gotten IW in PTW, but rarely in an excellent condition. IW doesn't help if ruined by corruption/waste.
IF you do ever get IW in a good location, don't forget to load with at many scientific GW's as possible.
== PF
IF you do ever get IW in a good location, don't forget to load with at many scientific GW's as possible.
== PF
I guess I'm lucky. I get ironworks in about 50% of my games. Tournament game 4-2 had a great one.
Why would you want scientific wonders in your IW city? Best to build your scientific wonders in river/coastal cities. You want high commerce, not production. Unless you think the AI will beat you to it then you'd probably want to build it in your IW city to get it done fast.
I also don't build my military academy in my most productive city, nor even my second most productive. Usually I'll build it in my third most productive city. I'll still be pumping out armies every 5-6 turns, but it allows me to build wonders in the better cities.
Why would you want scientific wonders in your IW city? Best to build your scientific wonders in river/coastal cities. You want high commerce, not production. Unless you think the AI will beat you to it then you'd probably want to build it in your IW city to get it done fast.
I also don't build my military academy in my most productive city, nor even my second most productive. Usually I'll build it in my third most productive city. I'll still be pumping out armies every 5-6 turns, but it allows me to build wonders in the better cities.
Lt. 'Killer' M.
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I have often build the IWs and by now have found a few ways how to make them more probable:
- use many civs. The more, the more strategic resources are on the map
- use little land
- use a civ that usually starts near jungle (Germany, Aztecs as opposed to England and America - I do not know why this happenes, but it does)
- create 'old' maps - that way, you will have relatively few mountains and hills - i.e. fewer tiles for iron (and coal, which will then usually be in jungle next to the hills)
a small hint: IF you can build it, start right away! Once you started you may finish and benefit from it even if one or both resources run out.
- use many civs. The more, the more strategic resources are on the map
- use little land
- use a civ that usually starts near jungle (Germany, Aztecs as opposed to England and America - I do not know why this happenes, but it does)
- create 'old' maps - that way, you will have relatively few mountains and hills - i.e. fewer tiles for iron (and coal, which will then usually be in jungle next to the hills)
a small hint: IF you can build it, start right away! Once you started you may finish and benefit from it even if one or both resources run out.
billindenver
King
No kidding on that tip. If I get the Iron Works message, I search til I find that city and IMMEDIATELY start producing IW. I can't tell you how many times Iron/Coal have disappeared within a turn or two of me starting it.
Zwingli
Prince
I seem to remember that it is possible to build the Ironworks at a given spot if the city radius ever contained both iron and coal. That is, even if one of the resources depletes, the option to construct Ironworks remains.
Maybe it was something else.
Maybe it was something else.
Stenchilada
Chieftain
I have a city with both coal and iron in its radius, yet the message or option even to build the IW does not exist, nor ever came up. This is on PTW.
I'm assuming this is only a minor glitch, as the game is maybe a dozen or so turns from reaching 2050. I know I've built it before in PTW. Just for whatever reason it didn't give me the option this time around.
I'm assuming this is only a minor glitch, as the game is maybe a dozen or so turns from reaching 2050. I know I've built it before in PTW. Just for whatever reason it didn't give me the option this time around.
Buecephalus
Bolo Mark XXV
I've been playing the scenarios that come with PTW lately. I've been able to build IW in most of them. I assume that the designers probably set it up that way, what with them designing the maps and all.
Hygro
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I just played a map with 6 IW locations. 3 of them at people's capitols.
Zwingli
Prince
@Stenchilada
Are both the iron and coal resources at the potential Ironworks site connected by roads? I believe that is another requirement.
Are both the iron and coal resources at the potential Ironworks site connected by roads? I believe that is another requirement.
Hygro
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you need iron and coal connected to the city, and you need iron and coal in the radius, however, they don't need to be the same iron/coal.
This means if you have coal from the aztecs, and iron from the zulu, and a city with rion/coal in the radius, but not connected, you could build ironworks.
This means if you have coal from the aztecs, and iron from the zulu, and a city with rion/coal in the radius, but not connected, you could build ironworks.
Stenchilada
Chieftain
I looked at the game and sure enough there was not a road connected to the iron. It looked as though there was... but no. Ah well... no biggie. The city is so far away it will never complete before 2050. As it is a UN vote will happen two turns before that...so Diplomatic win is going to happen.
Thanks for the input gang.
Thanks for the input gang.
