Is it possible to play Civ II like real life?

[RedWolf]

I used to love Civilization beause of the way it simulated the rise and fall of empires and the geopolitical interaction between those empires.

Lately though the AI has begun to really annoy me. I can't stand the idea of not ever being able to make peace with anybody. As soon as a start doing better then them (which of course is the goal of the game) I turn into an international pariah. You'd think that my intelligence agents were blowing up civilian airliners or something.

Does anybody have any tips on foriegn relations? I don't mind a war once in a while but I hate it when everybody declares war on me only because i'm smarter or more powerful then they are. It doesn't make sense and doesn't really simulate the "real world" in any way shape or form. It's like the Canadian government saying "yeah the US is a super power... lets attack them this afternoon.. what do we have to lose?"

Or can I only maintain normal diplomatic relations by playing stupid and letting them beat me in all categories? I mean the UN forces them to be nice to you but it seems to take the fun out of the game.

Thanks ahead of time.

Oh yeah.. I don't break treaties, demand tribute or attack people without provocation. My reputation is usually spotless.

[This message has been edited by RedWolf (edited February 04, 2001).]

 

[Mechanical_Animal]

The AI seems to have a thing against friendly coexistance with other civs that are better than them. They just don't want to play nicely. Peace treaties mean nothing to them at all.
The UN means that they will stop fighting you if you speak to them. However they'll stay enraged at you, break the treaty again and you'll need to repeat. Nuclear deterence doesn't keep them in line, the threat of being crushed by a technologically superior military doesn't deter them.
It gets even more ridiculous when everyone turns against you because your better than them.

My solution to the AI's overt stupidity and aggressiveness - beat them into line with excessive military force. This doesn't directly solve the problem but if the problematic civ doesn't exist, they can't be angry with you, can they.

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[Smash]

If you are using MGE there is bug that resets attitudes.The result is a hostile AI.2.42 is much different in this area,but in the end they all hate you.In 2.42,I ve actually received gifts from alliances AFTER launch.You won't see that in MGE.

Gift techs.AI attitude should improve with every tech though at times it will take 2 or 3 to go from,say,icy to neutral.This will work with MGE.It usually requires that you save up some techs then hit them with a 5 or 6 tech gift in one turn.That should bring them up to worshipful where you can get maps and maybe an alliance.

Play poorly so the AI is winning.They're a little nicer then

 

[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

Is there a patch for that bug in MGE? I have that version, and it really pisses me off! Hopefully, in Civ 3, the AI will be more reasonable.

The number of troops you have is very important. If you have far more than they do then they will fall in to line, even if all the troops are useless ones in your cities. Build many defenders.

 

[SunTzu]

The AI is like that bully back in 6th grade. It really pisses you off and messes with you but you can't do anything about it except DeSTROY THEM!

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[RedWolf]

Thanks for the tips everyone.

See i know that I can beat them into line but I hate doing that... Warfighting gets in the way of building as far as I'm concerned.

Although what is that quote by Clauzwitz (i know I butchered his name)

"War is simply an extension of politics by other means"

or something to that effect.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

"War is the last resort of failed Diplomacy."

Me

"In Civ, war is the AI's first resort of failed strategy."

Also Me

 

[Fishheads]

if they AI break there treaty with me.. there is one thing to do

KILL
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THEM
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ALL!!!!
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EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM!! MUAHAAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

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[This message has been edited by Fishheads (edited February 05, 2001).]