Is it worth building Petra ?

[moors]

I've attached an image of the space I'm asking for. Is that desert worth building a Petra ?

It's an online shuffled dual sized map game that I crowded to the max on advanced settings.

If I build a city on the desert tile next to the stone it'll be in proximity to 8 tiles of desert but 4 of them will be on the 3rd tiles from the city and 2 of those 4 are 2nd tiles from a city state(Brussels) I will better conquer. One tile will be Petra.

I can remove the stone and build a bath when its time comes.

Is it worth the investment ?

Edit, pasting more information to make a better decision:

Downside of the image is an inland sea, I play as Rome, the purple land is mine on the minimap. I haven't met China yet and I don't know about what sort of land the AI players occupy except some small area. There's a one tile land passage towards AI lands but a city state blocking the passage, Yerevan, is under siege by Spain. Currently Spain has the biggest score. China and America are in war and America denounced Spain. America has the biggest military. I've been 3rd or 4th by score ranking recently.

It's 3 AI players plus me and 6 city states on this duel shuffled map immortal game. It's turn 25 (2080 BC), I'm about to build my 3rd city and on turn 28 I will spawn another settler to build a 4th city. The city in question can be my 4th or (if I decide not to build Petra) 5th city.

America is friendly and Spain is unfriendly. I have more envoys in city states in total than other players and I can be the suzerain of a 2nd city state when I gain another envoy.

I will have to sacrifice one envoy currently in Brussels if I decide to conquer it. No other civs have an envoy in Brussels yet. Brussels sits next to a lake so it has fresh water.

 

[Kyro]

That's far too small a desert to build Petra, but better for you to have it than the opponent. I would look for another spot with at least 10 desert hills if I were you.

 

[Leyrann]

If it's a duel map it's probably the largest desert around, so I'd say, go ahead and do it.

General rule: you're expanding, and once you unlock Petra, you look for the city with most desert tiles and build it there. If it's just four tiles, well, that's four tiles more than not having it. (then again at that point you might start to wonder wheter it's worth the production cost)

 

[LethalLeigh]

no Petra is not a good wonder. if you are on all desert tiles then it might be ok if you don't have food resources. otherwise just use the desert tiles as your district placements.
Petra in my opinion needs to be buffed so all desert tiles within a certain range gets the buff say up to 4 tiles in all directions that way it could cover 2 or even 3 cities.

 

[Leyrann]

no Petra is not a good wonder. if you are on all desert tiles then it might be ok if you don't have food resources. otherwise just use the desert tiles as your district placements.
Petra in my opinion needs to be buffed so all desert tiles within a certain range gets the buff say up to 4 tiles in all directions that way it could cover 2 or even 3 cities.

It's awesome. It turns a carpet of useless tiles into a carpet of tiles that are equivalent to farmed plains (without adjacency bonus) or grassland hills (grassland forest hills in case of desert hills) plus bonus gold. Not to mention if you're playing Australia. Or any civ that can spam unique improvements by the way, which at once don't suck anymore now that they got no competition and good base tiles.

 

[NukeAJS]

If Brussels wasn't there, I'd say go for it because you can settle just West of that stone.

Since you can't you basically have to settle on the stone, forfeit that nice tile that basically required to be worked for the production, not having fresh water -- just coastal, AND you would probably have to play it safe and buy those three desert hill tiles so that Brussels doesn't claim them.

If you settle anywhere else, you'll have to buy 4 or 5 tiles to make sure you can use petra properly. Your cash flow is quite good for turn 25 on the other hand. Still, not being on that river means you'll need to place an aquaduct to get fresh water and that must be placed on a desert tile.

 

[CivCube]

quill18 says wonders are a sucker's game. But what do I know!

 

[ShinigamiKenji]

I'll say no in your case. You have few desert tiles, and some of them will still have districts (which negates the Petra bonus). If you had more, then it'd be worth considering.

 

[isau]

Maybe if Brussels wasn't there. It's not a bad spot for a city though since you don't want someone else settled there. I don't think Petra would make much difference once you deduct the risk and the hammer cost + the tile Peta itself eats up.

 

[sa1vy]

There's almost always better things you can do with your production at the time you can unlock Petra. Petra can make a city pretty good, but it's a huge investment and a huge risk. It's super entertaining to see pics of people's OP Petra cities, but it's pretty rare for those to happen.
Desert cities just stink for a long time because they're so hard to grow and develop. On deity, you'll almost never be able to build Petra unless it's in your capital, and you beelined for it.

 

[Victoria]

Petra is only good with lots of desert hills, in this case you can get a fair amount.
It is on the border of the lands, how many cities? What VC? What value will the investment get.
Not enough info to vote.

 

[gettingfat]

For a 400cog wonder, if it can give you even just 4 useful tiles, it'll give you extra 8 cogs 8 foods 4 golds per turn, so basically the wonder pays itself off in like 30 turns and is often a good investment. The biggest issue is the chance of building it. I hate this version in which if you lose a wonder race, you get absolutely nothing back.

 

[sa1vy]

For a 400cog wonder, if it can give you even just 4 useful tiles, it'll give you extra 8 cogs 8 foods 4 golds per turn, so basically the wonder pays itself off in like 30 turns and is often a good investment. The biggest issue is the chance of building it. I hate this version in which if you lose a wonder race, you get absolutely nothing back.

Well, you do get a road on that tile, so it's not absolutely nothing. Now that I think about it, you can use this to your advantage to get roads on some tiles you want. You don't even have to put any production on the wonder. Just place it, then switch your production back to whatever.
But getting any city in the desert big enough to build Petra will take too long, and you won't have enough time to finish it before the AI. Really, this wonder is super hard to get on high difficulties. The AI will hone in on it like it's the most important thing ever, even in a city with just one desert tile.

 

[Victoria]

Its not super hard like stonehenge. If the civs that like building it are not around its easier than hard

 

[moors]

Petra is only good with lots of desert hills, in this case you can get a fair amount.
It is on the border of the lands, how many cities? What VC? What value will the investment get.
Not enough info to vote.

Downside of the image is an inland sea, I play as Rome, the purple land is mine on the minimap. I haven't met China yet and I don't know about what sort of land the AI players occupy except some small area. There's a one tile land passage towards AI lands but a city state blocking the passage, Yerevan, is under siege by Spain. Currently Spain has the biggest score. China and America are in war and America denounced Spain. America has the biggest military. I've been 3rd or 4th by score ranking recently.

It's 3 AI players plus me and 6 city states on this duel shuffled map immortal game. It's turn 25 (2080 BC), I'm about to build my 3rd city and on turn 28 I will spawn another settler to build a 4th city. The city in question can be my 4th or (if I decide not to build Petra) 5th city.

America is friendly and Spain is unfriendly. I have more envoys in city states in total than other players and I can be the suzerain of a 2nd city state when I gain another envoy.

I will have to sacrifice one envoy currently in Brussels if I decide to conquer it. No other civs have an envoy in Brussels yet. Brussels sits next to a lake so it has fresh water.

 

[Martin_K]

i'd settle the city 1 east of the stone (north of the mountains). 5 desert hills in range (though you may have to buy them up before the CS expand there)

you'd have to sacrifice the stone or one of the desert hills to place a bath.
i guess you could harvest the stone (or maybe even both stones in range) to rush petra and then build the bath on the former stone tile north of the mountain range. or not build a bath at all

 

[moors]

i'd settle the city 1 east of the stone (north of the mountains). 5 desert hills in range (though you may have to buy them up before the CS expand there)

you'd have to sacrifice the stone or one of the desert hills to place a bath.
i guess you could harvest the stone (or maybe even both stones in range) to rush petra and then build the bath on the former stone tile north of the mountain range. or not build a bath at all

I think that's the place to consider if you decide to build Petra since that's the only tile that can let the city access all desert tiles in the future.

 

[Victoria]

Its not too late to settle there IMO and with Perta is could be strong

 

[moors]

Here's a pic covering nearly all of the map I've uncovered. I can see Seville has 2 desert mountains and 1 desert hill so there may be more desert there I didn't uncover.

 

[moors]

I have 2 envoys in Hong Kong. Amsterdam has one envoy from me and one from Spain. Amsterdam has fresh water from river. Considering Spain has the biggest score and is powering its economy with the help of Amsterdam, maybe I better put my next envoy in Hong Kong, be the suzerain of them and then conquer Amsterdam instead.