Is my army lost...?

[Xink]

Hello

Having decided that I wanted to war with Greece and to destroy Athens and made my way past smaller cities to prevent them from slowing me down <<< mistake No.1

I destroyed Athens and managed to get a decent amount of gold as they wanted to settle for peace some great wonders were destroyed as well

But even though we have settled for peace you can see that my troops are stuck within a piece of no mans land and the Greek territory is on the outside

....?




Now I have made a peace deal and as you can imagine that a right of passage agreement is not for having so do they grow old and retire in Greece or would it be possible when everyone else is mechanised to then get my ancient army back....?

There is a lot of harware there and captured workers but my oasis is in the middle of a large land mass owned by Greece - don't want to risk walking over all of his territory as the other civ's won't look to happy on that one..!!


Morgan

 

[civzombie]

give the city to another civ, a weak no competitor is a good choice

your units will end upback at your capital

 

[Sims2789]

if you pillaged the city, wait for Greeces cutlure borders to expand, then Greece will try to kick you out, and leave when they do(it'll take you back to your border.

 

[Atotarho]

Build a bigger army and carve out a corridor to your troops. Next time dont take a surrender. Wipe them out.

 

[Kaiser_Berger]

I'd say just try to walk them out, or, as was suggested, wait until the borders expand and you'll be back in your territory in no time.

 

[Atotarho]

Walkem out wont work. As soon as you put a foot in their territory theyll ask you to leave and youll end up back where you started.

I always used a scorched eath policy so nothing behind me is a worry. If you only left small towns behind you then you should have gotten enough of them in the peace deal to give you a path home.

 

[Aramazd]

Sign an ROP if you can

 

[Turner]

Originally posted by sims2789
if you pillaged the city, wait for Greeces cutlure borders to expand, then Greece will try to kick you out, and leave when they do(it'll take you back to your border.

Not necessarily. Yes, when the borders expand, it will kick them out, but it will kick them out to the closest point outside their territory. So if it's on the other side of the Civ from where he's at, now he'll have a whole civ to go through, instead of just one.

I'm not sure what would happen if the closest border shares a border completely with another civ. . . I don't know if they would kick them out to that civ, or the closest unoccupied tiles.

 

[Xink]

Well thanks for the ideas... Unfortunately the city was destroyed - so selling it is not an option. You are right though - every time I step foot out I get kicked back automatically to that position. I have so many elite troops and an army leader that I don't want to disband them (they cost a lot to support) nor do I really want the cost of leaving them there.

Still my fault I suppose - the culture of the other cities that they had was not as big and the path was quite large to walk through to get there and I thought that I would get back easily. It was more of a moral victory rather than a tactical or strategic one - getting a Capitol city certainly impressed me, until the cost becomes obvious

If they wern't such a huge force I bet the Greeks would finish me off - I hope that their culture grows quick enough for them to kick me into a better position.


BTW My intention was to never have destroyed the Greeks in total (they are not my closest neighbour) but to weaken them (I took a few towns out as well) in their neighbours eyes. They are very good at fighting with their neighbours that it cost nothing to invite the Dutch and the Portugese back into war with them - whlst they are kicking each other apart I am building and researching and getting bigger


Morgan

Morgan

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

I bet the AI will send along a settler sooner or later...

 

[Xink]

hee hee SuperBeaverInc how right you were - then I was zapped in a one square oasis that borders with Greece and the Byzantines - what a tour

But as they border with me I got them (Byz) to agree to a rights of passage and now the army is on its way home

never again.....

Morgan

 

[Sparrow3]

As I see it Morgan your only mistake was making peace too quickly.

In my opinion, you should have: A) gotten a ROP with the peace deal or B) remained at war long enough for you army to cut it's way home.

As for leaving Greece with a military capability; what if you simply marched out fighting defensive battles only. This way you probably would not damage them much militarily and they could rebuild.

The idea of taking the enemy capital to damage them culturally has merit. It should not be completely abandoned. I kinda like it. I think I'll try it next war.

 

[Xink]

Thanks for your help Sparrow3 - I had not thought about negotiating a ROP a good point that you made - my mistakes as I see them were...

Destroying the city - should have kept it then maybe sold it to a different civ to the Greeks

Also even though I had a lot of knights and an 'army' setup with musketmen for defence the Greek hopites (sp) are really tough to deal with

As they were not directly my neighbours but seemed to be always at war with someone or other it suited me to keep them 'active' as they kept the civ's that they were next to always in a state of war. I declared war on them to pull two others into conflict as well.

On my game - huge map (180x180) with 16 civs - it really hurt the Greeks culturally and for the first time I have now started to assimulate Dutch cities bordering mine without firing a shot - 3 up to now with more to follow.

My troops now are back home and I am enjoying a Golden Age

Morgan

 

[Sparrow3]

Originally posted by Morgan UK

Also even though I had a lot of knights and an 'army' setup with musketmen for defence the Greek hopites (sp) are really tough to deal with

As they were not directly my neighbours but seemed to be always at war with someone or other it suited me to keep them 'active' as they kept the civ's that they were next to always in a state of war. I declared war on them to pull two others into conflict as well.

On my game - huge map (180x180) with 16 civs - it really hurt the Greeks culturally and for the first time I have now started to assimulate Dutch cities bordering mine without firing a shot - 3 up to now with more to follow.

My troops now are back home and I am enjoying a Golden Age

Morgan

My thought on marching out was this: As the Greeks are at war with 2+ other Civs, they might not have very many Hoplites to send against you. It was not my game; of course, so I can't know for sure. If you have a save from that time, perhaps you could give it a try.
I am happy it worked out for you. Congrats! on the Golden Age.