Is playing Civ 4 linked to higher intellignce?

Playing CIV is linked to higher nerdiness. But at least you're not playing WoW.
 
btgwynn said:
Playing CIV is linked to higher nerdiness. But at least you're not playing WoW.
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btgwynn,

Actually, I played WoW. And would still be playing if Blizzard didn't screw me over. When Warhammer comes out, I'll play that, too. Currently I've been playing TF2 (FPS), Trackmania (Racing), and various old Final Fantasy (RPGs.) And I've never liked it when someone bashed the games I play based on a few bad an inaccurate stereotypes.

Am I a bit nerdier than most? I'm posting on an internet forum at 2:41am my time on a Saturday night (Sunday morning.) Do I know more internet memes than most? Yup. Sure, I'm a bit nerdier than most. But please don't knock decent games.

MMOs are quality games. Think about it like this: Would you pay per month to play Civ? Most of you would say no. Yet millions and millions of people all across the country and world pay per month to play MMOs (WoW and others.) That's gotta amount for something. In fact, when I played WoW I had two accounts for a while. I paid the monthly fee times 2!

Please stop the WoW bashing, here and elsewhere. Do people get overly obsessed in WoW and lost in it? Yes, sure they do. But isn't that the sign of a good game? A great game even? How many nights have many of us said to ourselves "One more turn..." and then realized the sun was coming up? WoW and Civ are both great games and both require different types of strategy and intelligence, and I'm not ashamed to say that I've been playing both since the conception of both lines.
 
MMOs are too level dependent, or in otherwords levels can easily trump skill. Even with that aside builds can win out even when the players would otherwise be evenly matched.

In other words, playing ability can get beaten by the other player spending more time on it. Combined with the slow pace, I'm afraid this is a game-breaker for me. I have a personal vendetta against equating how well someone should do at something with time spent. This vendetta was born very early on, when I could do things in school more rapidly than most of my peers. I'd get my homework done, and then still get harassed by teachers/family members for not spending x amount of time on homework per week. Their arguments would have been worth more to me if I didn't have all A's.

It's similar in work - people are typically paid by the hour. Now, in service jobs that require you to be there in order to handle customers and so forth, this makes sense to a certain degree (although it should probably have mixed components). What about something like data entry or other positions where you're assigned a finite amount of work and then do it? Although you have to be able to do it at a certain speed to be performing acceptably, where's the incentive to go beyond that? You're paid by the hour, not by the work done! This hurts people who do it faster, particularly those that can do it faster and retain accuracy. If someone works twice as fast, they don't receive half the stress for completing something - it's the same amount of work and it takes a toll regardless! However, many firms use crappy ass incentive structures that makes the assumption that work done faster should be paid the same as work done more slowly...and then wonder why they don't get optimal performance. This angers me because it's bad for everyone, and yet they INSIST on it!!!

So anyway, back to games like WoW - I can't stand them. I don't have patience for grinding because it gets old for me quickly, and no amount of skill can offset level/equipment differences. Granted, game skill itself is a function of time for every player in every game, but that time curve varies person to person. At least in games like madden/civ IV/MOST games, you have a CHANCE at winning if you attain the proper game knowledge. Not so in MMOs.

I'm sorry, but I have to hate on WoW. It *really* damaged the WC3 gaming community I was a part of, and for what? The above garbage, combined with pay-to-play!

However, I'll concede one thing. Unlike the idiot lectures on how time spent = effort and quality (rather than objective analysis of work completed/output), Blizzard used an EXCELLENT setup for WoW from a $ standpoint. The incentive this game provides consumers is a reward for time spent, which they pay for! Illegal copies of that game don't matter as much either since Blizzard wins its $ in the subscriptions (making it even more attractive), an MMO is a major cash cow if successful. They already had a working game universe with a large fanbase too. Very logical move by Blizzard, even if I personally hate the game.
 
Kesshi said:
btgwynn,

Actually, I played WoW. And would still be playing if Blizzard didn't screw me over. When Warhammer comes out, I'll play that, too. Currently I've been playing TF2 (FPS), Trackmania (Racing), and various old Final Fantasy (RPGs.) And I've never liked it when someone bashed the games I play based on a few bad an inaccurate stereotypes.

Am I a bit nerdier than most? I'm posting on an internet forum at 2:41am my time on a Saturday night (Sunday morning.) Do I know more internet memes than most? Yup. Sure, I'm a bit nerdier than most. But please don't knock decent games.

MMOs are quality games. Think about it like this: Would you pay per month to play Civ? Most of you would say no. Yet millions and millions of people all across the country and world pay per month to play MMOs (WoW and others.) That's gotta amount for something. In fact, when I played WoW I had two accounts for a while. I paid the monthly fee times 2!

Please stop the WoW bashing, here and elsewhere. Do people get overly obsessed in WoW and lost in it? Yes, sure they do. But isn't that the sign of a good game? A great game even? How many nights have many of us said to ourselves "One more turn..." and then realized the sun was coming up? WoW and Civ are both great games and both require different types of strategy and intelligence, and I'm not ashamed to say that I've been playing both since the conception of both lines.
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Dude, take a chill pill.
 
Kesshi said:
btgwynnMMOs are quality games. Think about it like this: Would you pay per month to play Civ? Most of you would say no. Yet millions and millions of people all across the country and world pay per month to play MMOs (WoW and others.)
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Hmm. Maybe your onto something about that higher intelligence thing. :lol:J/K.

Please stop the WoW bashing, here and elsewhere. Do people get overly obsessed in WoW and lost in it? Yes, sure they do. But isn't that the sign of a good game? A great game even?
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No. Its the sign of someone with jacked up priorities and no real social life outside the internet usually. Possibly a sign of anti-social behavior. I have seen people get absobed in games worse than WoW. And I personally think WoW is nothing to get excited about. One thing I found funny when playing LotRO was that everyone that I told it was pretty good scoffed at me because they said "It's a copy of WoW", but it isnt - for points not important to this thread. But WoW is a copy of EQ if you follow that mindset. But no game is as good as these people that get lost or absorbed in think it is.
 
Eh, I hate WoW, but for a completely odd reason: I detest the character models. Way too cartoony and dramatic for me.
 
Kesshi said:
btgwynn,

Actually, I played WoW. And would still be playing if Blizzard didn't screw me over. When Warhammer comes out, I'll play that, too. Currently I've been playing TF2 (FPS), Trackmania (Racing), and various old Final Fantasy (RPGs.) And I've never liked it when someone bashed the games I play based on a few bad an inaccurate stereotypes.

Am I a bit nerdier than most? I'm posting on an internet forum at 2:41am my time on a Saturday night (Sunday morning.) Do I know more internet memes than most? Yup. Sure, I'm a bit nerdier than most. But please don't knock decent games.

MMOs are quality games. Think about it like this: Would you pay per month to play Civ? Most of you would say no. Yet millions and millions of people all across the country and world pay per month to play MMOs (WoW and others.) That's gotta amount for something. In fact, when I played WoW I had two accounts for a while. I paid the monthly fee times 2!

Please stop the WoW bashing, here and elsewhere. Do people get overly obsessed in WoW and lost in it? Yes, sure they do. But isn't that the sign of a good game? A great game even? How many nights have many of us said to ourselves "One more turn..." and then realized the sun was coming up? WoW and Civ are both great games and both require different types of strategy and intelligence, and I'm not ashamed to say that I've been playing both since the conception of both lines.
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Why so serious?
 
TheMeInTeam said:
MMOs are too level dependent, or in otherwords levels can easily trump skill. Even with that aside builds can win out even when the players would otherwise be evenly matched.

In other words, playing ability can get beaten by the other player spending more time on it. Combined with the slow pace, I'm afraid this is a game-breaker for me.
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Your entire post was a good read. But I wouldn't classify all MMOs as suffering from what you describe here. I personally think CoH/CoV is not this. Level does trump skill to an easily ignorable way. Its connections and skill that matter the most in that one.
An example is that one time me and a friend, both blasters, were doing some hard team missions. (Alot of red and purple mobs -max colors to define level rank) Had picked up 4 others to join us. No one could heal. The short version of this story is we attempted to do the mission with 6 people 3 or 4 times and died each time. The other 4 members left our team because we couldn't get a healer. So me and my friend went in the same mission and finished it without dying once in about 5-10 mins. No tanks and no healers.

The pvp system has some annoying flaws, but level difference isn't the deciding factor in those either. (And gear isn't a factor on CoH/V) The defining factor in COh/V is connections (teammates and money) ANd the economy on it is fairly solid and balanced due to gear not being a factor. I like the idea behind MMOs, but I hate grindfests. Grinding turns something fun (playing a game) into a chore. (COH/V is not entirely free of grind, but you won't notice it much unless you are the guy that MUST be max level a month into the game. I suppose it wouldn't be hard to max a charactor out casually in about 6 months though so long as you get into a good supergroup.

Now having said that, I don't play CoH/V anymore. I just don't have the time for MMOs in general right now. Although Darkfall and Warhammer have my attention. And I am watching upcoming expansions of Conan. BUt I have alot of previous experience with FunCom through Anarchy Online and they usually don't address pvp balance problems and actually tend to make them worse through patches.
 
i dunno. i sound schizo according to the nurse. and people have mentioned that i sound/read like 7 people using 1 internet account.

btw, i'm the princess of sweden. i'm so twee as . .. .. .. ..
 
btgwynn said:
Playing CIV is linked to higher nerdiness. But at least you're not playing WoW.
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Does this mean jocks play Doom and GTA IV?

I still manage to maintain a good social life, have had girlfriends, go out to cool places at night. I mainly reserve CIV for some week nights, Saturday mornings and lazy Sundays; it still leaves time for reality. As a matter of fact, Civ is great for saving money, the more time I am at home the less money I spend.
 
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