Is regime change possible in Iran?
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There's no indication that the people of Iran will relive the era of the Revolution.
BasketCase
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The basis for regime change in Iran already exists.
There's a dissident culture within Iran that has been bucking the rules for several years. They wear blue jeans, paper-thin veils, and Iranian women play a kind of makeup hide-and-seek; they wear makeup in public, quickly wipe it off when they see a mullah coming, then put it back on when the coast is clear.
So, Iran is looking to tumble the way the USSR did--the Iranian government is going to have to grant those first few concessions in order to stave off a full-scale rebellion, and once those first few concessions are granted.....that's how the wall crumbles.
There's a dissident culture within Iran that has been bucking the rules for several years. They wear blue jeans, paper-thin veils, and Iranian women play a kind of makeup hide-and-seek; they wear makeup in public, quickly wipe it off when they see a mullah coming, then put it back on when the coast is clear.
So, Iran is looking to tumble the way the USSR did--the Iranian government is going to have to grant those first few concessions in order to stave off a full-scale rebellion, and once those first few concessions are granted.....that's how the wall crumbles.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
BasketCase
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Revolution should happen from within--except when it cannot, in which case it must happen from without. Careful, though--at this point you still need to consider what is being revolted against.....Revolution against Iranian religious dictatorship? Good. Revolution against U.S. government? Bad.
And, frankly, every revolution is a revolution from without. It is an attempt to destroy a system, insigated by people who defy it and refuse to live in it. Por ejemplo, potheads in San Francisco who dislike laws against marijuana and refuse to obey them.....
And, frankly, every revolution is a revolution from without. It is an attempt to destroy a system, insigated by people who defy it and refuse to live in it. Por ejemplo, potheads in San Francisco who dislike laws against marijuana and refuse to obey them.....
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Revolution can ALWAYS happen within.
Mercenary82
King
Screw regime change, if Iran gets close to building a nuke we should just bomb them into the stone age. There is no need to send in troops to remove the regime, it will be quite harmless and unable to build nukes if we take out Irans entire infrastructure.
Ecofarm
Deity
I'm not willing to bomb them if we do not nation build. I would vote against it without a specific mandate to bring democracy.
Screw WMDs, I ain't scared. I just want world democracy.
1. Terrorist State
2. Tyranny
3. Tyranny
4. Tryanny
Screw WMDs, I ain't scared. I just want world democracy.
1. Terrorist State
2. Tyranny
3. Tyranny
4. Tryanny
What happens if a liberated state coups itself? Bomb them again?
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Yeah, and tens of millions will be dead. Oh, and the world will hate us. Or what were the words that UN inspector used? "The nuclear genie will be let out of the bottle, and he ain't going back in until an American city gets taken out by an Islamic nuclear weapon."
pfft, who cares if the world is going to hate america? what are a bunch of towel heads going to do?
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
I dunno. Personally, I hate the lot of you. You should wear your plaid around you willies instead of your head, like proper Scotchmen!
well the terrorist state thing can probably be worked on diplomatically,and well i guess they are kinda tyranous, but that should change from within.
Ecofarm
Deity
History gives no real possibility of this happening. I don't game plan on the 1%. Exactly how many democratic regimes degenerated into dictatorships? One? Ever? I know Chavez is trying, but he hasn't quite managed yet.
We should at least try to help them once (in the past we were not trying to help, we were trying to destabilize the region, we've never really cared about democracy in Iran before). If that fails, then perhaps we give up.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
I assume you're thinking of Chile? Because I would count France and Germany, too.
I think we should take the hint from the first time around and leave Iran the hell alone. We sowed the seeds of this mess in the first place.
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So long as Western saber rattling doesn't encourage them to think there IS a credible threat.
Some of our western governments and economic blocs have a real interest in seeing conflict continue - we need to be assertive, even aggressive in preventing more BS designed to manipulate us into supporting more hostility in the Middle East.
Mercenary82
King
Thousands might die, but I don't think tens of millions, I think a country that is constantly advocating use of nuclear weapons against Israel is far too dangerous to be left with modern industry and technology. If we are forced to bomb them to take out the nukes, we also need to make sure to take out every power plant, factory, refinery, and port so Iran won't be a threat again.
I don't think there's any point in installing a Democracy in Iran, it was a poplular revolution by the people of Iran that founded the Islamic republic. This shows the Iranian people themselves are much too radical to be trusted, they are simply a threat that we should neutralize.
Ecofarm
Deity
That's easy to say when it is not YOUR daughter or mother having their genitals chopped off. I guess that if it was your daughter, you would be willing to use violence immediately to stop it. I don't understand what kind of man can ignore it just because it is not his own daughter.
What if it was your brother who was about to be put to death for being gay? What if it was your uncle who was being sentenced to life in dungeon for speaking his mind?
Somehow, when the victims are on the other side of the world, we don't care? That's crap.
It's time we joined the human race and made sure all people are free. Only then can the world move forward to eradicate poverty and our other ills.
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Mercenary82
King
So we just install a Democracy then withdraw and let them elect another Ahmadinejad? I think theres a good chance they will just vote all the radicals back into power.
