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Is there really ANY intellectual/psychological/cerebral driven horror movie of note?

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Would the answer be a NO? :/

I think the main reason for a possible reality of this would be that movies still very much require tons of money to make, thus a patron (studio or producer). Leading to more complicated ideas never even seeing the light of day in film form
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For example the explosion of indie-produced horror games has shown that if the people making the game have free reign they may indeed show something more interesting.

While there have been some nice horror films the last few years (It Follows, The Babadook, imo also Lord of Tears despite many issues), i wouldn't really term them as cerebral.

 
Would the answer be a NO? :/

I think the main reason for a possible reality of this would be that movies still very much require tons of money to make, thus a patron (studio or producer). Leading to more complicated ideas never even seeing the light of day in film form
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For example the explosion of indie-produced horror games has shown that if the people making the game have free reign they may indeed show something more interesting.

While there have been some nice horror films the last few years (It Follows, The Babadook, imo also Lord of Tears despite many issues), i wouldn't really term them as cerebral.


No, it would certainly not be a "NO".

It completely depends on what you think the genre "horror" entails.

There are many "intellectual" (I suppose you mean intellectually stimulating? don't really see how a movie in itself can be intellectual) horror movies that work on completely different levels:

Lynch's Eraserhead is a masterpiece of dense symbolism and a movie that has more interpretations than it has fans. This movie is worth it to be watched for its ingenious sound and setting design alone, but is also an interesting look into the directors mind itself, more so than almost any other Lynch movie I would say.

Tarkovski's Solaris, probably one of the greatest sci-fi (horror or not is questionable, it definitely fits well in psycho-horror) movies of all time imo and raises the question of what constitutes memory, consciousness, life. It also has gorgeous imagery and is simply mindblowing from a cinematic pov.

Kubrick's Shining has to be mentioned. Even on the surface level this film is intricate, but then you go on to see Kubricks commentary on the genocide of the natives and once you go really deep down the rabbit hole you start to see themes of the federal reserve and the gold standard, the mystery of the twins and many others.

Ingmar Bergman's Hour of the Wolf is still one of the scariest films ever to me, but it's also one of the most intelligently made psycho horror flicks. Touches on madness, the subconscious, the fine line between dream and reality, features occult rituals, necrophilia, pedocide, hallucinations.. What more could you want?

If you are looking for a more recent one, there are "intellectual" horror flicks, too. By far the greatest one was a recommendation from a forum member actually: Under My Skin. Just a fantastic movie, everyone should see it. I won't go into detail since I don't want to spoil it for you. If you're looking for a challenging horror movie, well, you've found it. Easily one of the best movies of this decade.

On Halloween I saw "The Witch", great commentary on the family in puritanist (?) New England and the idea of sin.

Worth mentioning: Von Trier's Antichrist, Almost all Hitchcock, all of Jan Svankmejer's horror movie output.
 
Conjuring one and two. Not exactly 9/10, but 7/10 in my book for horror movies for sure. Also Repulsion with Catherine Denev
 
Maybe I don't understand the question, but it seems to me there are plenty. To name a few:
Suspiria
The Shining
The Exorcist
Jacob's Ladder
The Silence of the Lambs
 
Hm, Under my Skin was nice, although it has a lot of issues in the less artistic scenes, and afaik they deliberately altered the meaning of the book it was based in, thus making the movie a lot more ambiguous as what was going on :)
Still a good movie.

Suspiria? I never liked Argento's storylines (or lack of them ;) ). Very good colours, though. Vivid and dreamlike. A bit as in the latter console horror game, Clocktower!

Jacob's Ladder (and similar films, including The Machinist, Stay - a lot less subtle imo-, and various Lynch works) in my view isn't really horror, cause the whole story appears to be a delusion/dream.
I will check the Hour of the Wolf :)
 
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Lost Highway.
Pan's Labyrinth.
City of Lost Children.
The Ninth Gate.
A number of horror movies are immensely cerebral in their themes but less so in their moods. They Live, Them, and Invasion of the Body Snatchers comes immediately to mind, as do many Twilight Zone episodes.
 
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City of Lost Children has a beyond awesome sequence with a flea carrying a poison, but i am not sure you could term that movie as a whole as horror :) More like weird late 90s German-Belgian-French production as in the follow-up Taxandria :) More allegory/surreal (and not very subtle in my view, but nice movies)
 
Seems like you make this thread, or something similar to it every couple months. And every couple months I say The Haunting, 1963 original, not the crappy remake with Zeta-Jones.

There's also Night of the Living Dead (1968). Kurosawa's Throne of Blood (1957) is also well worth mentioning. Rather absurd for you to declare an entire genre of film, a medium with hundreds of thousands of entries over a period of more than a century, but be entirely without intellectual merit. But then, I don't think I'd expect anything less from you.
 
Seems like you make this thread, or something similar to it every couple months. And every couple months I say The Haunting, 1963 original, not the crappy remake with Zeta-Jones.

There's also Night of the Living Dead (1968). Kurosawa's Throne of Blood (1957) is also well worth mentioning. Rather absurd for you to declare an entire genre of film, a medium with hundreds of thousands of entries over a period of more than a century, but be entirely without intellectual merit. But then, I don't think I'd expect anything less from you.

Seems to correspond to the interval between looking at one of your posts so as to decide if auto-ignore will go off. Result always being the same :o
 
What do you think of Jack Nicholson in the genre?
He hasn't done a lot. I rather liked Wolf, but I wouldn't call it a classic or "must see" or anything. The Witches of Eastwick was more of a comedy, I think, although I haven't seen it since it was in theaters.
 
Jacob's Ladder (and similar films, including The Machinist, Stay - a lot less subtle imo-, and various Lynch works) in my view isn't really horror, cause the whole story appears to be a delusion/dream.
Why would that make it not a horror film? And if the events of the film were all a delusion or dream, doesn't that make it precisely the type of "psychological" film you're looking for? I think you're just having fun moving the goal-posts.
 
Ok, i will opt to accept this point :)
:)

The bad news is that someone's working on remake, due next year. Fingers crossed, I guess.
 
Honestly, it's debatable whether or not Jacob's ladder and the Machinist are horror movies, but not Eraserhead. It's literally the starting point of body horror. Arguably a fringe genre of horror, yes, but still horror. I hope you enjoy Hour of the Wolf, it's one of my favorite Bergman movies.

Talking about body horror though.. Videodrome was fantastic. Same goes for The Fly (remake), though the original one was good, too. I also think you might like The Thing (remake) or The Thing from Another World (original).

Solaris, if that counts as a horror.

If Solaris is a 9/10, then what constitutes a 10/10? Now I'm really curious :D
 
Honestly, it's debatable whether or not Jacob's ladder and the Machinist are horror movies, but not Eraserhead. It's literally the starting point of body horror. Arguably a fringe genre of horror, yes, but still horror. I hope you enjoy Hour of the Wolf, it's one of my favorite Bergman movies.

Talking about body horror though.. Videodrome was fantastic. Same goes for The Fly (remake), though the original one was good, too. I also think you might like The Thing (remake) or The Thing from Another World (original).



If Solaris is a 9/10, then what constitutes a 10/10? Now I'm really curious :D

What about video games?
 
The question is one of definition, as many have pointed out. Bergman's The Seventh Seal is pretty clear cut. Silence of the Lambs is, excuse the expression, a no-brainer. Other possibilities: Brazil, Manhunter, The Parallax View, Barton Fink, The Serpent and the Rainbow. You might even consider the original first person stalker/slasher picture, Halloween.

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