Isabella is breaking my heart!

Thanks Kaytie, now I know how to learn what my people are complaining about. They seem to be unhappy because they need emancipation, it is too crowded and for the "EOR is the big villain" reason too. But I'm not a villain, I promise, I'm a nice guy. Of course I refuse to give Saladin all of his cities back, and these are the only things we are voting for. I wish they would vote Izzy to marry me or something more useful, but no, it is a conspiracy to make me look like a bad person. Now that Saladin guy will pay again. The problem is that that he has made defensive pacts with Hannibal and Cyrus now, and I bet they will not be pleased anymore if they have to go to war against me. Maybe I can make these same defensive pacts and make him attack me... hmm...

To ban tech brokering I need to start a new custom game :sad:
 
I have a suggestion. Learn from history.

Specifically, Henry VIII.

He had the right idea with how to deal with disloyal women.
 
He had the right idea with how to deal with disloyal women.


I don't know what he is done.But i know a story from Mehmet II.One of his favorites,an italian woman named Stella,wanted escape from harem.She bribed the protector of harem.(i dont know the proper term for it,he is,who has entrance right to harem.Only sultan and this protector can enter harem)
They both tried to flee,but they are caught.Here is Sultan Punishment:
Protector is hanged.And Stella...
Her both arms and legs bound an horse.(4 horses:))Then the horses runs.:mischief:

Maybe it is too cruel.
 
I don't know what he is done.But i know a story from Mehmet II.One of his favorites,an italian woman named Stella,wanted escape from harem.She bribed the protector of harem.(i dont know the proper term for it,he is,who has entrance right to harem.Only sultan and this protector can enter harem)
They both tried to flee,but they are caught.Here is Sultan Punishment:
Protector is hanged.And Stella...
Her both arms and legs bound an horse.(4 horses:))Then the horses runs.:mischief:

Maybe it is too cruel.

That Mehmet is not as nice as he looks, eh? Henry VIII was content with beheading wives who cheated on him. He did it to two of them: Anne Boleyn (who was probably innocent) and Catherine Howard.

Anne Boleyn did not give Henry an heir, only a worthless daughter called Elizabeth. Of course, Henry realized that a mere girl like Elizabeth would never amount to anything, and he had clapped his eyes on another woman (Jane Seymour) who he thought would give him the male heir he obsessively wanted, so he let his henchmen manufacture a lot of charges of adultery against Anne. He also had them declare Elizabeth a bastard so she couldn't inherit the throne.

Elizabeth's older half-sister Mary had already been declared ineligible to the throne after her mother Catherine of Aragon's marriage to Henry had been annulled; Henry had to enact the Reformation for that to be possible, because the Pope opposed the annulment. The reason for the divorce was that Henry had made Anne pregnant, hoped for a male heir and wanted to marry her. All the same, Henry was technically in the right because Catherine of Aragon was his brother's widow, so Henry's marriage to her was against canonical law and when he had married her, he first had to get the Pope's dispensation for it. The Pope was virtually a prisoner of Catherine of Aragon's nephew, the Emperor Charles, so he had consented to that. For the same reason, he opposed the annulment, so it became a Protestant one instead. And of course, once the annulment had been enacted, Mary technically became a bastard.

After having had Anne Boleyn beheaded, Henry married Jane, who gave birth to the coveted son. Jane died at childbirth. Henry then married the German Princess Anne of Cleves, but she was so ugly that he divorced her, claiming the marriage was unconsummated. (Apparently, Anne of Cleves was rather relieved, because Henry was not a very handsome man any longer, so the lack of attraction was mutual.) Then Fate or someone must have decided to give Henry the ****old's horns he seemed to be claiming, so the next woman he married, Catherine Howard, did indeed cheat on him and was duly beheaded. Then he married Catherine Parr, who took care of him in his old age and was a nice stepmother to Henry's three children.

Henry's son with Jane Seymour was named Edward. He succeeded to the throne at the age of ten, though of course he didn't rule; the Earl of Northumberland did in his name. Edward was sickly and died at the age of sixteen; before his death, Northumberland had persuaded him to name his cousin once removed, Jane Grey (granddaughter of Henry's sister and married to Northumberland's son) heir to the throne. But Mary's followers wouldn't have any of that, so they rebelled and Mary ended on the throne. Then poor Jane Grey was executed after a *Protestant* rebellion which ensued. Being a fierce Catholic, Mary persecuted and executed Protestants, whereas under Northumberland (ruling in Edward's name) it was Catholics who had been persecuted.

Well, then Mary died and England got that insignificant girl Elizabeth as a ruler. In fact, she ruled for many years, as you know, and not without distinction. She had barely escaped being executed by her half-sister a couple of times; there were lots of people who had liked her mother or who disliked being ruled by the Catholic Mary. As the Civilopedia says, Elizabeth wanted to pursue a policy of religious tolerance, but there were several Catholic conspiracies against her life, which resulted in more people being executed. Still, there were no church tribunals or burnings at the stake, and nobody was executed just for their religion.

Oh, dear - did you find this confusing? I believe many generations of English school children have too. Here is a brief summary of Henrian wifery:

1. Catherine of Aragon, Mary's mother (divorced)
2. Anne Boleyn, Elizabeth's mother (executed)
3. Jane Seymour, Edward's mother (died in childbirth)
4. Anne of Cleves (divorced)
5. Catherine Howard (executed)
6. Catherine Parr (survived Henry)

And here is a short memory tag used by English teachers:

Divorced, beheaded, died;
Divorced, beheaded, survived.

Here comes an extremely hard question: Who is the real bastard in this story?
 
Öjevind Lång;5872375 said:
That Mehmet is not as nice as he looks, eh?
Everyone has personal weaknesses.He was a good and fair ruler against her people,but this matter is very personal.And i am not sure,if it is true.True or not,just cruel.I hope it is a false story.

Here comes an extremely hard question: Who is the real bastard in this story?

And Henry's story is confusing and cruel too.I think he is the....
I dont want answer this question actually,and i dont know much about him,maybe the English people loves him.And i am not going to offend them.

But a question:Is this Elizabeth,the cute Elizabeth from Civ?

Edit:I thank you for telling this story.
 
To ease your confusion: Henry is probably the most famous English monarch cause of the wives thing. He was a bit of a crap king as he spent all our money playing tennis and war with the French and buying wives off the rest of Europe.

Elizabeth is indeed the cute Elizabeth from civ and widely held as one of our best monarchs, far better than Henry.
 
These feelings are confusing and it is destroying me from within as I'm starting to dislike Isabella.

So we're on this map, not neighbors but we're once again sharing religion (buddhism) and she's at first "friendly" with me. And there's this old english hag warmongering throughout the game, destroying civilization after civilization. First she destroyed Brennus and the Celts, continuing with Sitting Bull, and that Huayna Capac guy. Then she spanked this Wang Kon guy into submission.

There was war all over the map and Isabella wanted a piece of that so she decided to attack me once again. My armies were bigger and better than hers, but since mine never saw any action maybe she thought they were doing like poker and pranks and such in the barracks. Well, she thought wrong, she ran into a wall. I didn't lose one guy while she lost pretty much all of her armies. I was just sitting and doing techs, having enough defensive units to keep that Power Graph decent.

Victoria, the warmonger, had an army that no one could match and she tried my strength a few times as well, but somehow I managed to defend my precious lands and end the wars before any serious damage occurred. She hated everyone and everyone hated her. Actually everyone wanted to become my vassal but I refused and they disappeared from the map one by one.

When I got my tanks sorted out and had nukes coming this Isabella chick suddenly got from Annoyed to Best Friend and Lover. I was like WTH? She disliked me all the way until I was like 20 turns from sending that queen of evil to hell. We made this defensive pact thingy because Victoria's army was HUGE. When Victoria decided to attack me a few turns before I was going to make my move Isabella got so scared she wanted to become my vassal and being love of my life of course I was there to protect her.

It ended like 10 turns from this by me winning by Diplomacy, so I couldn't finish her off and return the lands to their rightful owners.

Anyway, my point is that I feel I'm being used. Isabella doesn't love me, but only uses me when she feels there's something I can give her. I'm not sure I want to be used like that anymore and I've heard there's this other chick, Cathrine or something, who would be better for me. They say she's kinda feisty, but that there is lots of love in her as well. Anyone cared to second these rumors? Should I go out look for this girl or am I chasing ghosts?
 
Anyway, my point is that I feel I'm being used. Isabella doesn't love me, but only uses me when she feels there's something I can give her. I'm not sure I want to be used like that anymore and I've heard there's this other chick, Cathrine or something, who would be better for me. They say she's kinda feisty, but that there is lots of love in her as well. Anyone cared to second these rumors? Should I go out look for this girl or am I chasing ghosts?

Take my word for it: Catherine will do that sexy thing with her hair and look at you with big, loving eys, and she'll cheat on you all the time and just wait for the right moment to stab you in the back. One day you'll come home and find her in bed with Hannibal or Augustus or Alexander. And when you object, they'll both try to kill you.
 
Öjevind Lång;5886637 said:
Take my word for it: Catherine will do that sexy thing with her hair and look at you with big, loving eys, and she'll cheat on you all the time and just wait for the right moment to stab you in the back. One day you'll come home and find her in bed with Hannibal or Augustus or Alexander. And when you object, they'll both try to kill you.

She cannot possibly be as vicious as Isabella tho, can she? Isabella just loves war, it seems war is the single thing she lives for.
 
She cannot possibly be as vicious as Isabella tho, can she? Isabella just loves war, it seems war is the single thing she lives for.


Hi

Izzy LOVES to go to war with anyone not her Religion. You can hold it off if you shre her religion but but she will still go to war if someone gives her nice answer to "whats in it for me?" question--meaning someone said she is only civ who will take a bribe to war on someone she is at "friendly" status with.

Cathy loves to go to war on anyone whose back is turned for half a sec. If you give in to every single demand of hers you might get to be on her good side enough where you can turn your back for a full second before she puts knife in.

BootyCall likes to make war on anything with a pulse. But most guys still like her cuz she has a nice pair of traits :P

Lizzy and Vicki both are not as bad as the ones above but both will still turn on you if they think they have an advantage.

Hattie is bout the most loyal and friendly "civ chick" in the game. She is easy to get to friendly and will stay friendly no matter what. Her biggest problem is she like being friendly with EVERBODY. She may never cancel open borders or peace treaty with you but she wont cancel em with the 50 gazillion other civs she friendly with who she is letting march armies through her terrioty into your back yard either.

Really if you are looking for a hassle free no drama relationship you really proabably gonna have to consider your two best choices are Ghandi and Abe hehe.

Kaytie
 
Hi

Izzy LOVES to go to war with anyone not her Religion. You can hold it off if you shre her religion but but she will still go to war if someone gives her nice answer to "whats in it for me?" question--meaning someone said she is only civ who will take a bribe to war on someone she is at "friendly" status with.

I saw that too, but as I recall, it was Catherine who was stated to be the only leader who'll go to war against you even though she is "Friendly".
 
Hi

Okies I might have just misread it then sorry :/.

Kaytie

No worries. :) Suffice it to say that both women are big trouble, but that Izzy will at least not backstab you while she is "friendly". And it is possible to be friends with her. Just share her religion and do everything she says. That's the secret behind a happy marriage with Isabella.
 
Just go for Hattie - the most loyal female in the game. (I think she is, anyway...) If you even just trade with her, she'll love you forever. Forget the other women rulers... too many mood swings.
 
Just go for Hattie - the most loyal female in the game. (I think she is, anyway...) If you even just trade with her, she'll love you forever. Forget the other women rulers... too many mood swings.

I've said it before - I'll say it again: Hattie is a sweetheart. Once (playing as Kublai Khan) I attacked and killed her... I still haven't forgiven myself for it. But if you don't play that way as a Mongol, playing as a Mongol is pointless- So I don't play as a Mongol much. That is crystalline logic, isn't it?
 
Are we all playing BtS?I am not sure about it.Hatshepsut attacks me every time.Or hates me.Besides,Isabella and Catherine are always my best friends.
I cant really understand it?Are we sure,that all of us play BtS?
 
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