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Originally Posted by Enkidu Warrior
Israel is openly is breach of UN resolutions establishing the limits of its territory.

In the occupied territories.

I can only assume that you are confusing the charter of the PLO (which says no such thing) with the charter of Hamas (which calls for the removal of Jews from all of historical Palestine). Suffice to say the EU nor the UN support Hamas.
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Incorrect on the first point. To quote the document you mean, UN Resolution 242:

Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force
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That means Israel has the right to hold the territory until those neighboring nations agree not to attack Israel. Egypt agreed to do so, and Israel pulled out of lands captured from them.

Point two: What "occupied" territories? In the current wave of attacks (since 2000) about 1,200 Palestinians and 800 Isrealis have been killed. The error of this is that Israel is able to prevent 80% of attacks due to police measures and deaths from Nov. 2000 to August 2002 would have been about 14,000 Israelis dead if not for those measures. Most of the Israelis killed were civilians. The 1,200 number of Palestinians is also misleading, since Palestinians refuse free medical treatment from the Israeli government when they are injured on accident and the PLO counts the bombers, people injured making bombs, people killed by shots fired into the air at funerals as deaths of "Israeli aggression". Palestinian attacks are also four times more likely to kill women and children.

The charters of PLO and Hamas both say the same thing in regards to Israelis right to exist. The 2000 peace process failed because Israel would not agree to Arafat control over their territory.
 
Israel isnt all that innocent....
http://www.action-for-un-renewal.org.uk/pages/isreal_un_resolutions.htm

"Here is a list of UN resolutions that Israel has not complied. As far as I know they have ignored every single resolution. But the situation is far worse than would at first appear, it involves the serious distortion of the official Security Council record by the profligate use by the United States of its veto power. (See Table)

Israel’s, defiance goes back to its very beginnings. This collection of resolutions criticizing Israel is unmatched by the record of any other nation.

A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel"

1955-1992:
* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for there immediate return.


1993 to 1995

UNGA Res 50/21 - The Middle East Peace Process (Dec 12, 1995)

UNGA Res 50/22 - The Situation in the Middle East (Dec 12, 1995)

UNGA Res 49/35 - Assistance to Palestinian Refugees (Jan 30 1995) l

UNGA Res 49/36 - Human Rights of Palestinian Refugees (Jan 30 1995)

UNGA Res 49/62 - Question of Palestine (Feb 3 1995)

UNGA Res 49/78 - Nuclear Proliferation in Mideast (Jan 11 1995)

UNGA Res 49/87 - Situation in the Middle East (Feb 7 1995)

UNGA Res 49/88 - The Middle East Peace Process (Feb 7 1995)

UNGA Res 49/149- Palestinian Right- Self-Determination (Feb 7 1995)

UNGA Res 48/213 - Assistance to Palestinian Refugees (Mar 15, 1994)

UNGA Res 48/40 - UNRWA for Palestinian Refugees (Dec 13, 1993)

UNGA Res 48/41 - Human Rights in the Territories (Dec 10 1993)

UNGA Res 48/58 - The Middle East Peace Process (Dec 14 1993)

UNGA Res 48/59 - The Situation in the Middle East (Dec 14 1993)

UNGA Res 48/71 - Nuclear-Weapon-Free Zone in Mideast (Dec 16 1993)

UNGA Res 48/78 - Israeli Nuclear Armanent (Dec 16 1993)

UNGA Res 48/94 - Self-Determination & Independence (Dec 20 1993)

UNGA Res 48/124- Non-interference in Elections (Dec 20 1993)

UNGA Res 48/158- Question of Palestine (Dec 20 1993)

UNGA Res 48/212- Repercussions of Israeli Settlements (Dec 21 1993) "

and that does not include of the ones that the US vetoed
 
The cuurent Palestinian "goverment" is not a very good one, and niether is the current Israeli one

Arafat and Sharon both need to resign
 
Archer 007 said:
Your welcome, I guess. :crazyeyes:
Im reading a very good book right now on the issue, which is why I've been talking about it so much lately.
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and that book is?
 
Palestine refugees? That phrase is a joke. Many more Jews were made refugees by the formation of the Israel by acts of terror within the Arab world.
Lets see the UN resolutions condemning Palestine for attacking civilian targets?
 
mazzz said:
The cuurent Palestinian "goverment" is not a very good one, and niether is the current Israeli one

Arafat and Sharon both need to resign
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Right now Palestine has the best government that it can get. I wouldnt trusta democracy in a place where 80% of the people say that their neighbor should be wiped off the face of the earth.

For all these points i'm posting, if you think they are BS, call me on it. I have sources, most of the Arab sources, to back it all up.
 
Archer 007, I say that the Palestinian territories need to feel economic improvement before the whole issue can truly be settled. When one has butter, why shoot guns? If countries like Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states invested in factories, not bomb factories and whatever else, then perhaps the place would not be so fillled with radicalism. However, the current Israeli gov't IMO at first wasn't too good but with Sharon offering to pull out of Gaza, perhaps I judged the book by its cover. However, i'll believe it when I see it on that Gaza pull out but it certainly would be a good first step. Also, Israeli settlers should be removed from the West Bank and Gaza entirely IMO as they don't belong there and have no legal claim to that land. Furthermore, their presence does nothing but cause attacks and build up resentment.
 
Archer 007 said:
The Case for Israel by Alan Dershowitz.
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My dad knows him!

Anyway, the UN can condemn Israel all it wants, but who cares? I don't. Israel made the right choice, that's what matters.
 
mazzz said:
You dont think it is wrong to be building the wall BEYOND Israeli land and into Palestinian land?
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It is Isreali land now. Isreal occupys the West Bank and they aren't a sovergin country.
 
Archer 007 said:
Palestine refugees? That phrase is a joke. Many more Jews were made refugees by the formation of the Israel by acts of terror within the Arab world.
Lets see the UN resolutions condemning Palestine for attacking civilian targets?
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your comparasion is deeply flawed. they have condemed all acts of terror on both sides...

the is a big differnce between the Israeli army doing something and non-goverment affilited groups like Hamas doing this

Israel is a real country
Hamas is not

Hamas should be shut down and its leaders be brought to justice but Israel should not kill innocent civillions while doing so
 
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