Israeli/Palestinian Conflict

[Archer 007]

Archer 007, I say that the Palestinian territories need to feel economic improvement before the whole issue can truly be settled. When one has butter, why shoot guns? If countries like Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states invested in factories, not bomb factories and whatever else, then perhaps the place would not be so fillled with radicalism. However, the current Israeli gov't IMO at first wasn't too good but with Sharon offering to pull out of Gaza, perhaps I judged the book by its cover. However, i'll believe it when I see it on that Gaza pull out but it certainly would be a good first step. Also, Israeli settlers should be removed from the West Bank and Gaza entirely IMO as they don't belong there and have no legal claim to that land. Furthermore, their presence does nothing but cause attacks and build up resentment.

Saudi Arabia and its counterparts wont do it, since they benefit from the process. Israel is willing to leave the West Bank and Gaza except for 4% of it, which is an unpopulated area need for defensive purposes. They are also willing to give Palestine 3% of their territory in return for this.

 

[Archer 007]

oh boy

Whats so funny about it? That he used Arab sources to back up his points?

 

[mazzz]

to discredit info by the race who wrote it is well racist

 

[aaminion00]

Whats so funny about it? That he used Arab sources to back up his points?

Oh boy, Arab sources . The Case for Israel is something like the O.J. Simpson trial. Alan Dershowitz is somewhat like Cochran. He does a remarkable job at what he has to do, but that doesn't change that there's something rotten at the center of it all, and that's the mere existance of Israel as it was implemented.

 

[Archer 007]

your comparasion is deeply flawed. they have condemed all acts of terror on both sides...

the is a big differnce between the Israeli army doing something and non-goverment affilited groups like Hamas doing this

Israel is a real country
Hamas is not

Hamas should be shut down and its leaders be brought to justice but Israel should not kill innocent civillions while doing so

How are Israel's action terrorism? Attacking terrorist camps is an evil act? If the Palestinians really cared about their people, they wouldnt base there bomb plants next to schools.

It is sicking that people see the acts of violence done by Hamas, yet still try to agrue that Israel is the bad guy. Blaiming Israel for Hamas's actions proves that Hamas is winning.

 

[mazzz]

Mr.Dershowitz happens to be Jewish

That doesnt discredit him

 

[Archer 007]

to discredit info by the race who wrote it is well racist

I didnt discredit the info by the source. I was pointing out that Arabs have always hated Israel, and that if he can prove his case using sources written by them, we can see Arafat and his ilk for the terrorists they are.

 

[Archer 007]

and that's the mere existance of Israel as it was implemented.

How so? That the Jews were given a state in the areas that were Jewish majority? That most of the land they moved on to in the 1800s (which was bought from local landowners at or above market value) was almost completely barren, and they turned it into an oasis?

 

[mazzz]

How are Israel's action terrorism? Attacking terrorist camps is an evil act? If the Palestinians really cared about their people, they wouldnt base there bomb plants next to schools.

It is sicking that people see the acts of violence done by Hamas, yet still try to agrue that Israel is the bad guy. Blaiming Israel for Hamas's actions proves that Hamas is winning.

it is if it kills innocent bystanders, the it makes them no better than the hamas slime

 

[Archer 007]

Civilians are going to be injured. That is a fact of warfare. It is impossible to compare the targeting of civilians, like Hamas does, and accidental deaths. The majority of the accidental deaths are caused due to Arafat's own rules against medical treatment. Israel offers to give civilian victims free treatment.

 

[mazzz]

I didnt discredit the info by the source. I was pointing out that Arabs have always hated Israel, and that if he can prove his case using sources written by them, we can see Arafat and his ilk for the terrorists they are.

I dont think ALL Arabs hate Israel
that is kind of a bold stament
the vast majority strongley disagree with their polices
but now most accpet that their most be a two state peace deal

 

[aaminion00]

How so? That the Jews were given a state in the areas that were Jewish majority? That most of the land they moved on to in the 1800s (which was bought from local landowners at or above market value) was almost completely barren, and they turned it into an oasis?

A Jewish majority for how long? 7 years? How about we create the Republic of New Mexico, an independent state out of the Southwestern United States? No really, it used to be their land (far more recently than Israel was Jewish), and they form a majority in many areas (far logner than the Jews did in Israel at the time of independence). Also 1800's is misleading. Maybe the very late 1800's, and early 1900's, but just saying the 1800's makes it seem like there were Jewish settlers running around in the 1840's which is absolutely riddicolous.

 

[mazzz]

Civilians are going to be injured. That is a fact of warfare. It is impossible to compare the targeting of civilians, like Hamas does, and accidental deaths. The majority of the accidental deaths are caused due to Arafat's own rules against medical treatment. Israel offers to give civilian victims free treatment.

bah, by blocking off roads to the emergency rooms after an Israeli missle strike for fear of "terrorist retalion" this has happend many times ( and this is from BBC if that is good enough for you)

 

[Archer 007]

I dont think ALL Arabs hate Israel
that is kind of a bold stament
the vast majority strongley disagree with their polices
but now most accpet that their most be a two state peace deal

Surveys show that 80% of Arabs will except nothing short of the complete end of the Israeli state and either the murder or deportation of all the Jews within the borders.

 

[mazzz]

Archer, do you have a problem shooting a missle into a crowded market place because one or two terror leader are there? the innocent deaths of the civillians are not worth it

 

[mazzz]

Surveys show that 80% of Arabs will except nothing short of the complete end of the Israeli state and either the murder or deportation of all the Jews within the borders.

may I see the surveys links (i dont doubt just want to see it)

 

[aaminion00]

Surveys show that 80% of Arabs will except nothing short of the complete end of the Israeli state and either the murder or deportation of all the Jews within the borders.

Certainly the most reasonable solution to demand (the deportation, not the murder!) although not not likely at this point.

 

[Constantine]

Archer, do you have a problem shooting a missle into a crowded market place because one or two terror leader are there? the innocent deaths of the civillians are not worth it

Tell that to Hamas, Fatah, Al Aqaba Matyrs brigade etc.

 

[Archer 007]

A Jewish majority for how long? 7 years? How about we create the Republic of New Mexico, an independent state out of the Southwestern United States? No really, it used to be their land (far more recently than Israel was Jewish), and they form a majority in many areas (far logner than the Jews did in Israel at the time of independence). Also 1800's is misleading. Maybe the very late 1800's, and early 1900's, but just saying the 1800's makes it seem like there were Jewish settlers running around in the 1840's which is absolutely riddicolous.

The only land given to Israel was the land that was a Jewish majority. It had to be at least 10 years, since the UN plan was over a decade after the Peel Commision plan. The areas that were majority Arab were given to the Palestinians, but, of course, they rejected the offer, as it would meant the Jews would have a state. In there words "a Jewish state the size of a postage stamp would be too big".

Your statement about New Mexico is silly, since the US isnt attempt to murder the people in New Mexico. Palestine has never been independent and the majority of Palestinians dont want independence.

 

[mazzz]

Tell that to Hamas, Fatah, Al Aqaba Matyrs brigade etc.

Israel is supposed to be at a higher level then them
you cant say two wrong make a right
then you are not better then they are