It can't be, true can it?

[corporal clegg]

I don't wanna get the country bashing thing going again but I was just watching somthing on T.V and was wondering if it's true? It was about what seemed to be fairly large militas all over the U.S, especially Michigan, who were saying that the plan to take up arms against the government. Very Civ-like isn't it. Do these really exist, I was just wondering??

 

[gjts00]

They certainly do. But I personally don't give them too much credibility. Paranoia is a very common human trait. And with the end of the Cold War, Americans don't have a clearly defined enemy anymore. So, I think it's only natural that some would look within themselves for one. And the government is very easily vilified & accessible for such scrutiny.


Don't get me wrong, I don't dismiss their theories completely. The issues that they claim to be against could turn out to be very real, albeit highly unlikely.

P.S. I know that you're new to the forum, but this thread should be posted in the off-topic section. As it's not a suggestion for civ2.

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[SlowwHand]

Texas is the only state in the Union to enter as a Republic, with the right to secede as part of the annexation.

Little FYI.

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[PinkyGen]

During the 1860's, Texas a bunch of other states got into their little ole heads that they could leave whenever they wanted to. I believe their was a little Civil War over that.

Texas is still a state, so guess who won?

 

[SlowwHand]

You speak from ignorance.
I said nothing of the war between the states.
The fact remains, Texas joined as a Republic, with the stipulation that we could leave at our discretion.
Are you attempting to teach me Texas history?
Go read a book.

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[PinkyGen]

But the thing is, Texas was part of the Confederacy, and we fought a war to keep Texas and other states in.

I don't remember a stipulation saying Texas can leave if they want, but if you point it out I wouldn't be that shocked. It could exist. But I think its one of those things now ignored (like the against interracial marriage in Alabama that was only repealed last year.)

 

[SlowwHand]

It's not ignored at all, especially not here.
Texas joined the Union, as a Republic, in 1845. The last battle of the War Between the States was in Texas.
The stipulation that Texas can leave wasn't and isn't extended to any other state.
Sorry if I seemed snappish, but it's just something I know to be fact.

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[allhailIndia]

I understand your feelings when it comes to one's own state over one's own country. In India's case all the smaller princely kingdoms were literally bullied into giving up their despotic fiefdoms and becoming a part of India(unconditionally). However most of the people of the erstwhile princely states still maintained a unique cultural identity as compared to that of the rest of the country

 

[SlowwHand]

Two things.
I'm not being anti United States, and Texas certainly retains some culture not found elsewhere, as you point out about India.

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[oryx]

Interesting....
I've always believed that the Texas allowed the United States to join it!

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[SlowwHand]

Actually, that is the truth.
Didn't want to try and convince all the "doubting Thomases" though.

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[Lefty Scaevola]

Actually. Slowwhand, the 1845 Joint Resolution (not treaty) by which texas joined the union does not leave any such right for Texas to secede. The provisions of the joint resolution are that Texas would join as a state (rather than as a territory) that is would reatin its national debt, that it would retain its public lands, that it would cede forts and military instalation to the federal goverment, and that it had the option of dividing into to up 4 more states (10 senators by no Texas politition would suggest such a thing)

There was a failed treaty of anexation the prior year April 12, 1844, which was rejected by the US senate 16-35. Under it texas would have been anexed as a territory, giving up title to its public lands to the federal government which would assume Texas's debt. Annexation of Texas became the main isuue of the 1844 election.

I going to hunt for a text of the joint resolution so that you see it.
http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ref/abouttx/annexation/march1845.html



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[Az]

The situation in the south today:

More motivated, it's fair to say, by Rightist politics than a clearly nationalist agenda, the Neo-Confederate movement seeks to re-institute the Confederate States of America which lived briefly from 1861 to 1865. Recent polls put its support at around 17% amongst Southern voters. "The South shall rise again."

Texas enjoyed a brief period as an independent state after seceding from Mexico, and the notion of nationhood still appeals to some. There is a Texan independence party that contests elections.


BTW doesn't this belong to Off-Topic? Even if the first post was civ-related.............


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[SlowwHand]

whimper.

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[DBSD13]

errr...
I've heard something about it, dun remember when but ppl are stockpiling weapons and supplies in national parks and the rocky mountains.

Of course I'm not an American and its just news that I saw and 70% of all news are fake.