It isn't fun to win the lottery on Kazaa...

[blackhalo15]

http://www.encryptedgaming.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=63 Go there

My opinion on this, is BULL!!! This isn't near as bad as the Berman Bill... But I still think this is wrong... 150,000? I think these people need to get over this crap... If any of you remember my first post...(Which I highly doubt anybody does, but I got a PM from the owner and the post got deleted....) That was the reason why I purchased most of the CD's I have now... But if this starts happening a lot... Then I will not support any of the record companies who are doing it... Ever... In fact... I will discourage them... And make sure that everyone I know, know's that they suck, and are monopolies, and advise all of the people I know, not to buy anything from them...

 

[The Yankee]

It's true. In fact, many people go out and buy the CDs after they've heard a song or two. I've asked many people about it...and they agree. Besides, having a lot of people looking for a particular song gives the artist even more name recognition and "advertises" the song, in a way.

There will be a big walkout on the CD music business if they actually start trying to go after people, and it will result in many millions lost in the industry. Napster created some ill will, but the worst they did was slap a fee on downloads....

I have Kazaa...and I use it mostly for things like movie songs or comedy audio bits I would never have even heard about if I didn't swipe a search through Kazaa. It's a great way of finding songs that just aren't availiable in stores for whatever the reason and other pieces of audio and video for other things as well.

 

[Yoshimune]

I read an article a while back analyzing the record companies' so-called "losses" since P2P file sharing and Napster came out, and it discovered that the losses are actually because record companies are putting out fewer CDs per year (or something along those lines), and if anything, all things being equal, sales actually increased because of file sharing.

Another pile of bull**** are these "copy-protected CDs" that are coming out in Japan and Europe (and soon to be hitting America, don't worry!). They have messed up table-of-contents, and the data itself has a lot of garbage in it, so computer CD-ROMs think they are either faulty discs or will only play the data track it sees (which plays the music through an on-disc media player). Regular CD players can play them normally, but since the data has garbage coded in, it makes the error correction of the CD player work harder. In fact, I was driving my car and tried to put a copy-protected CD in, and the CD player wouldn't read it because the car was bouncing too much for it to read the garbage data. (BTW, the garbage data also means you're getting less for your money, since the data isn't a perfect digital copy of the recorded music.) How do you like that?

I seriously hope the record companies lose more money because of this crap. Even artists are fed up, and that's why there are so many independent music companies now. If they have such good computer skills that they can track down people anonymously logged onto Kazaa, why can't they set up something like iMusic and let people download legitimately?

 

[blackhalo15]

My idea is to just not support any of the companies that gave their support to the Berman Bill... The Berman bill will let record companies hire people to hack users of P2P applications if it is passed... You can find the names of these companies on warez.com

 

[History_Buff]

Good. I dont care if groups use this as an excuse, or if more people go out and buy cd's because of it, because, it is illegal. Its simply wrong. And i know people who download whole cd's because they dont wanna pay 16 bucks for it.

But copy-protection is wrong. I should be able ot copy cd's onto my HD, because its simply way more covienient than having 20 cd's next to my comp.

 

[blackhalo15]

Originally posted by History_Buff
Good. I dont care if groups use this as an excuse, or if more people go out and buy cd's because of it, because, it is illegal. Its simply wrong. And i know people who download whole cd's because they dont wanna pay 16 bucks for it.

But copy-protection is wrong. I should be able ot copy cd's onto my HD, because its simply way more covienient than having 20 cd's next to my comp.

Do you think it should be okay for record companies to be able to hire people to hack users of a P2P application?

 

[h4ppy]

Originally posted by The Yankee
It's true. In fact, many people go out and buy the CDs after they've heard a song or two. I've asked many people about it...and they agree. Besides, having a lot of people looking for a particular song gives the artist even more name recognition and "advertises" the song, in a way.

There will be a big walkout on the CD music business if they actually start trying to go after people, and it will result in many millions lost in the industry. Napster created some ill will, but the worst they did was slap a fee on downloads....

I have Kazaa...and I use it mostly for things like movie songs or comedy audio bits I would never have even heard about if I didn't swipe a search through Kazaa. It's a great way of finding songs that just aren't availiable in stores for whatever the reason and other pieces of audio and video for other things as well.

And many more people would rather just download the whole CD. I know I would if I was a theif.(pirate) No one I talk to says that they buy CD's after downloading a song. And this might actually discourage people from stealing music and videos. WHy exactly would people stop buying CDs if it becomes more risky to download them? The answer is they won't.

 

[The Yankee]

Originally posted by History_Buff
Good. I dont care if groups use this as an excuse, or if more people go out and buy cd's because of it, because, it is illegal. Its simply wrong. And i know people who download whole cd's because they dont wanna pay 16 bucks for it.

But copy-protection is wrong. I should be able ot copy cd's onto my HD, because its simply way more covienient than having 20 cd's next to my comp.

Fair point on the copy-protection...however...how are the companies sure that you won't go and copy this onto DVDs or something of that nature and then sell them for your own gain (20 CDs, times 16 dollars is $320...you can certainly sell a lot of DVDs if you sold them for $100 each). Also, CD prices are going up and up and up...sorry, but I think it's a little ridiculous to pay $19-25 on a single cd...not when it only costs the companies a few dollars max to produce the thing.

There will always be some people who would download just to avoid paying $20 a CD...true, and you have a very valid point. However, as I have found, they're not the majority....and it certainly beats people trying to sell pirated CDs to other people.

These companies do have to realize that there will be a point where people will just say "forget this" and swear off CDs, or go through channels to get pirated copy CDs.

I think the industry will have a bigger problem on its hands if it really tries to hack into databases to fine people.


One other point....for everyone.....Didn't Ashcroft of the Justice Department try to find ways to hack into people's computers for things like this (among other things)? Do you really want your computer and databases to be at the fingertips of some of these people? I think not.

 

[Sims2789]

there should be nothing wrong with P2P, but it should be illegal to transfer copywrited material across them. but they should still be legal.

 

[eyrei]

Considering the crap these record companies have been publishing under the guise of music for the last few years, I hope they all go bankrupt...

 

[Student Driver]

I do not see this as a purely black and white issue.

I use Kazaa for music, because I believe the record companies and music malls are ripping us off. $20 sale price V. the $0.50 it costs to make the CDs is just wrong. We're getting robbed. Until they drop the prices, I'll continue to pursue "other" methods. Also, as has been said, I'm not paying $20 bucks for a CD without hearing the songs first or if there is only one good song on it. The music industry has gotten very seriously greedy recently and I'm about two seconds from swearing off big commerical music and sticking to local and underground sources. They took every form of music and made it a brand, a franchise. Rock, Rap, etc. never used to be this way. Now it is cookie-cutter crap and people are not gonna pay $20 for it!

 

[Stapel]

Don't worry guys. Filesharing is unstoppable!

 

[MarineCorps]

Your right Stapel as soon as they close down one 5 more will replace it. I think if the music industry does this they will lose a lot of money because people will boycott them. I going to take a nutreal stance just so I can have more time to enjoy the little arguments.

 

[MummyMan]

I'm safe with Kazaa Lite so i don't really worry about the big bad RIAA. I think its dumb for the record companies to go after individual users. Who could afford the thousands of dollars in fines?

 

[Yoshimune]

Originally posted by sims2789
there should be nothing wrong with P2P, but it should be illegal to transfer copywrited material across them. but they should still be legal.

What would be left to transfer then?

The record companies claim that the $20 sale price vs. the $0.50 cost price is for the "millions of dollars" it costs them to give artists studio time and all the recording and post-production that goes into an album. I think artists only get $1 from every album sold. It would make more sense for them if they went into business for themselves, set up their own sites or joined online sales companies, and sold songs for $1 each. Then they wouldn't make terrible filler songs to push albums up to 12 songs.

 

[Aphex_Twin]

Originally posted by Stapel
Don't worry guys. Filesharing is unstoppable!

Agreed. RIAA will either have to adapt to this or file bankrupcy...

 

[Aphex_Twin]

And if RIAA is allowed to continue with theese law-suits then isn't the US breaking human rights? Would you agree to your goverment allowing people to break into your house?

 

[blackhalo15]

Originally posted by h4ppy


And many more people would rather just download the whole CD. I know I would if I was a theif.(pirate) No one I talk to says that they buy CD's after downloading a song. And this might actually discourage people from stealing music and videos. WHy exactly would people stop buying CDs if it becomes more risky to download them? The answer is they won't.

Because a lot of non-commercialised bands/groups/artists/whatever aren't heard unless they are on Kazaa or something else that is P2P... If they aren't heard of, not many people are going to buy them... And Kazaa does advertise for them.

 

[blackhalo15]

BTW... Just in case some people don't know... This thing called the "Berman Bill"... Says that record companies can hire people to hack P2P application users...

 

[Aphex_Twin]

and another BTW

If anyone can find a way to get back at this bastard who's trying to hack into my computer for the last 2 months I would be greatful...

have your shot:
208.184.36.77
All I could learn is that he's from Australia...