Item Management Thread - Term 2

[Bootstoots]

Zarn has notified me by PM that he does not wish to be item manager and is turning the job over to me as second place in the item elections. I have decided to accept this position. My manager voice will be pink. There are no official item rules defined in our ruleset, therefore all item rules are turned over to me. Here are some item rules:
Certain items are assumed to be automatically equipped with units. These are:
Warrior: 1 stone axe
Spearman: 1 spear
Archer: 1 bow and arrows
Swordsman: 1 short sword
Legionary: 1 short sword, 1 iron shield
Charioteer: 1 spear, 1 chariot, 1 horse
Chariot Archer: 1 bow and arrows, 1 chariot, 1 horse
Horseman: 1 spear, 1 horse
Horse Archer: 1 bow and arrows, 1 horse

Other items may be purchased for the units. These will be paid in shields until currency. Costs for the items are paid per unit. Here are these items:

Item                                      Cost                                
Bronze Helmet                      1/8 shield                        
Iron Helmet                           1/4 shield                       
Bronze Shield                        1/8 shield
Iron Shield                             1/4 shield
Leather Armor                       1/8 shield
Bronze Armor                         1/4 shield
Iron Armor                             1/2 shield
Javelin                                   1/4 shield 
Sling                                      1/4 shield
Bow and Arrows                    1/4 shield
Dagger                                  1/8 shield
Horse                                     1/4 shield, 1/2 food
Chariot                                   1/2 shield
Stone Axe                               1/8 shield
Iron Axe                                  1/4 shield
Spear                                      1/4 shield
Short Sword                            1/4 shield
Long Sword                             1/2 shield
Shoes or Boots                        1/8 shield

Personal items may also be owned by each individual character. The items may be free or the character may be required to pay a price in shields for them. All item ownership must be reported to the item manager in order to be valid.

Here are a few more item rules:

-No unit may be equipped with more than one of the same category of item (for example, a unit cannot be equipped with both bronze armor and iron armor)
-All items, personal or military, must be reported in this thread. All posts in the previous item thread will not be considered.
-Any person may request to have an item added to the list, which may be done so at any time.
-The item manager reserves the right to add item rules and may choose not to allow an item because of lack of technology.
-A unit must be equipped with horses to be equipped with chariots.

Additionally, I will be gone from June 17-27 and will be looking for a deputy. The Deputy Item Manager will have all powers of the Item Manager for the period of time that I am absent.

 

[Bootstoots]

Unit Items:
none yet

Personal Items:

Antonio, Alacia, Bella, Anthony II:
Iron Armor
Iron Helmet
Iron Shield
Boots
Iron Long Sword
Horse.

 

[disorganizer]

to legions:
the main difference between swordmen and legions is that the legions have a iron armor and shield so that should also be the difference between the units at the item management.

also, what about items requested before your rules were posted? will they be tracked?

and what about item storage, for example as we have granaries, the storage of food should be allowed (not to mention the storage of shields).

 

[disorganizer]

also: our characters do not represent units atm. so how can we understand your equip-rule? will the commanders of those units get the items? or will the owner get the item as soon as the units is disbanded? please clarify.

 

[Bootstoots]

In response to your questions, items requested before this thread was put up will not be tracked until they are reposted here (as there wasn't a cost for items previously). Personal items (items owned by characters) and military items (as shown in the first post) are separate, and when a unit is disbanded, their items disappear with them. Of course, when a unit is passed to another character, their item is passed with that unit. Unit commanders will own whatever their unit is equipped with if they post in this thread that they are commanding a certain unit, and may obtain additional personal items. Also, food and shields are not considered items and as such fall under the Land Manager's juisdiction. You may want to contact the Land and/or Game managers on the issue of food and shield storage.

 

[disorganizer]

and concerning the difference between swordmen and legions?

 

[Bootstoots]

Well, I could say they were equipped with shields and armor, but they would have no effect on the unit that way and could not be purchased.

 

[disorganizer]

? why would they have no effect on the unit ? the defensive value of a legion is higher than that of a swordman. so they should have a better armor... ? i dont understand your answer. please clarify...

 

[Bootstoots]

The defensive value of a legion is already higher than that of a swordsman. All items assumed to come with a unit have no additional effect on that unit (because they already possess that item on creation in the first place, and units such as horsemen shouldn't gain a combat bonus by having that item). Therefore, if I allow a swordsman to have iron armor, but not a legion, the swordsman would have a higher defense value than the legion if armor was purchased.

BTW, feel free to re-request items.

 

[disorganizer]

it was requested the other way around... a legion should have an armor, the swordman not.
i ask because a commander of what the commanders of my units will get and what comes "with their job".
as such, i still think a legion should come with a short sword and a light armor+shield.

 

[Bootstoots]

I was refering to legions, I was simply stating that it would be possible for legions to have less defense than swordsmen if legions received their armor with their unit. If you equip a legion with armor, their commanders will receive armor too.

 

[disorganizer]

*sigh*
what i was referring to is that legions should be ASSUMED to be equipped with something more than a swordman... amor...
i did not talk about extra things you buy... i referred to the assumed default, and as such the "free" things a commanding or serving character gets...

 

[disorganizer]

i now SEE what you mean... but which sense does it make to improove the attack/defense of UNITS? i completely am against the possibility to improove ingame units this way. i also believe it is not only against the rules but also against the spirit of the rpg, as it would render our units to non-civ3-units.
also, did conflict management approove this?

 

[Bootstoots]

But what would be the purpose of military items then?

 

[disorganizer]

to be used in character - to - character conflicts... for example tournaments, or maybe even personal attacks. also, they may even reduce the risk of a leader to be hurt in battle when commanding units

or maybe just to be proud of the ownership

 

[Bootstoots]

Okay, I see your point. I will make this proclamation:
Item Manager Voice:
The proposal to make items improve the stats of units is hereby repealed. The items will still cost the same amount of shields/food to purchase. The Conflict Manager is encouraged to take unit equipment into consideration when determining battles. Also, the legions will be equipped with a shield automatically but armor will cost extra. Personal items for characters may still be requested, whether they are on the unit item list or not, and they may or may not have a price.

 

[disorganizer]

thanx. i will post the things i buy for the characters leading the HMC soon. i just have to get a hold of the army now that they lost controlling power

 

[Civanator]

ok, Antonio has:
Iron Armor
Iron Helmet
Iron Shield
Boots
Iron Long Sword
Horse.

Anthony II, Alacia and Bella have the same.

 

[Bootstoots]

That's quite a bit of personal items, Civ. I will charge you 2 shields for all of them. Do you still want to have them?

 

[Civanator]

yup. I got 2 shields. COnsider this post the paying.