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Japan - Samurai cannot upgrade to Musketmen.

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Sharples, Mar 19, 2014.

  1. Sharples

    Sharples Prince

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    Anyone noticed this? Just tried in BNW with them and they seem to skip Musketmen entirely and wait for Riflemen.
     
  2. Mr. Grieves

    Mr. Grieves Wondermonger

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    Musketmen are so marginally better compared to Samurai, that all it would do is mess up your fishing boat bonus.
     
  3. ixias

    ixias Warlord

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    I believe that this was part of the last patch where they upgrade to Riflemen. I know the Berserkers got moved up in the tech tree and I think they have the same upgrade path.
     
  4. arand86

    arand86 Warlord

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    It is meant for you to have more time to pump the samurai that start with an upgrade and faster great generals.
     
  5. joncnunn

    joncnunn Senior Java Wizard Moderator

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    This is intentional, it's to allow building more Samurai for their unique abilities (work boats & great general) before you can no longer do so.

    I think the promotions carry over when promoted, but still you can't build more after the unit becomes obsolete.
     
  6. asmartlittleman

    asmartlittleman Chieftain

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    Also isn't this some what historical as well. Japan did not adapt using gunpowder technology until the 1800s.
     
  7. LoneRebel

    LoneRebel Emperor

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    And they shouldn't upgrade to Musketmen, seeing as Samurai have the exact same combat strength as Musketmen. At least that's what I remember, maybe Musketmen are a little stronger.
     
  8. Mr. Grieves

    Mr. Grieves Wondermonger

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    Musketmen have 24 compared to 21 base damage, which is significant with promotions. But it would lose the fishing boat, general and Honor perks.
     
  9. Mutineer

    Mutineer Deity

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    In same way less upgrades better, I believe even you do not loose any promotion when upgrade, units loose half of xp, so, next promotion will come soooo mach later.
     
  10. djvandyke

    djvandyke Warlord

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    And you dont have to pay for a musket "upgrade".
    It's win-win.
     
  11. caiman0815

    caiman0815 Chieftain

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  12. KrikkitTwo

    KrikkitTwo Immortal

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    I'm almost certain you don't lose any xp when upgrading (check the little +XP that floats up when upgrading.. it is the same as the XP the unit has)
     
  13. DemonMaster

    DemonMaster A.K.A. Fenhorn

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    And if you play Japan, you can for a while build both Samurai and Musketman. I see no problem with it. Both will upgrade to Riflemen when times come.
     

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