John Titor - You heard of this guy yet?

[sysyphus]

He'd probably say he had his DNA altered in the future and that's way it was different.

Actually, I looked on one of the websites abotu him, turns out he's long gone.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I've heard of him. Fun guy, and good strategy: keep it vague and make up a justification for why it went wrong. Why haven't there been more time-travelers from the future, then?

 

[sysyphus]

I've heard of him. Fun guy, and good strategy: keep it vague and make up a justification for why it went wrong. Why haven't there been more time-travelers from the future, then?

That's how most politicians and relgions do it.

 

[Godwynn]

Sure, I can admit that. Can you prove it though? You want proof that its real. How is it wrong for someone to ask proof that its not.

I don't have to prove anything. Its up to him to prove to me that he is really from the future.

 

[King Flevance]

I've heard of him. Fun guy, and good strategy: keep it vague and make up a justification for why it went wrong. Why haven't there been more time-travelers from the future, then?

There "have" been many. Most debunkable within the first page of posts. Claiming connections with John Titor, or very similar stories but not knowing who it is. Or claiming John as the 1st. No one else has been able to even mimic his tactics to appear authentic to my knowledge. From what I seen most are debunked officially rather fast.

Say for arguement sake John's story is truth. The odds of having another time traveller at all hit our precise worldline are pretty narrow. As there are at least 500,000 other parallel worldlines timed exactly in sync with ours. 5 seconds ahead of our present .01 sec of this particular second is a whole new worldline. So by his definition of time travel we have a better chance to win the lottery probably. This can support an "escape route" veiw. Or it could support "existance is infinite" and time travel capitalizes on that view. It's a very opinionated tale.

Godwynn - That's cool. To each his own, I dont see you as wrong as I am neutral in it. But it is due to the fact that using reason there is an equation here I cannot draw a definite conclusion on. I merely used your Olympics thing because I ssee alot of "debunkers" use it and a couple others to clarify that it is false whenit all goes into it. For arguements sake I give John the benefit of the doubt and see if I can prove him wrong by finding his fault in the lie. No lie is perfect. Truth is though. But in the same breath, I havent found the flaw yet, but I also havent found the evidence.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Wow. Some dude went online one day, went to a forum and announced that he was from the future. Must be true, surely nobody would lie about something like that.

I exist outside of time. The past and the future are no more mysterious to me than the present is. There, I said it. Must be true

 

[sysyphus]

I exist outside of time. The past and the future are no more mysterious to me than the present is. There, I said it. Must be true

Your statement itself does not lead me to believe you outright, but having read most of your other posts...

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

And I'm from the past. I have travelled to the future using a process called "aging", which has slowly but surely brought me from the year 1982 to the present day.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Your statement itself does not lead me to believe you outright, but having read most of your other posts...

Well, there you go! Heres your golden opportunity to get in on the ground floor of the Bozo craze that will soon sweep Titorism into oblivion It will you know. John told me

 

[Masquerouge]

And I'm from the past. I have travelled to the future using a process called "aging", which has slowly but surely brought me from the year 1982 to the present day.

I'm from the present, actually. And you now what's scary ? I'm in everybody's present too ! Muhahahaha !

 

[sysyphus]

Well, there you go! Heres your golden opportunity to get in on the ground floor of the Bozo craze that will soon sweep Titorism into oblivion It will you know. John told me

Cool! Sign me up, I'll head your Canadian chapter.

 

[punkbass2000]

There "have" been many. Most debunkable within the first page of posts. Claiming connections with John Titor, or very similar stories but not knowing who it is. Or claiming John as the 1st. No one else has been able to even mimic his tactics to appear authentic to my knowledge. From what I seen most are debunked officially rather fast.

Say for arguement sake John's story is truth. The odds of having another time traveller at all hit our precise worldline are pretty narrow. As there are at least 500,000 other parallel worldlines timed exactly in sync with ours. 5 seconds ahead of our present .01 sec of this particular second is a whole new worldline. So by his definition of time travel we have a better chance to win the lottery probably. This can support an "escape route" veiw. Or it could support "existance is infinite" and time travel capitalizes on that view. It's a very opinionated tale.

Godwynn - That's cool. To each his own, I dont see you as wrong as I am neutral in it. But it is due to the fact that using reason there is an equation here I cannot draw a definite conclusion on. I merely used your Olympics thing because I ssee alot of "debunkers" use it and a couple others to clarify that it is false whenit all goes into it. For arguements sake I give John the benefit of the doubt and see if I can prove him wrong by finding his fault in the lie. No lie is perfect. Truth is though. But in the same breath, I havent found the flaw yet, but I also havent found the evidence.

I agree with; you're not alone It may well be false, but so what? It's an interesting idea.

 

[Tenochtitlan]

Past and future never exist. Time itself does not exist, and that's the main reason time travelling is not possible. By the logic of this universe, only the present can exist in our universe.

I can also provide other paradoxes:

If you go back to the past and kill your parents before they conceive you, you would cease to exist, because you were never conceived. And if you were never conceived how would you go back and kill your parents?

See?
Impossible.

He is a phony, him and everyone who claims time travel.

 

[King Flevance]

Thats what I thought. This guy is had a good hoax even if it is a hoax. And for that he should gain merit.

 

[King Flevance]

Past and future never exist. Time itself does not exist, and that's the main reason time travelling is not possible. Only the present can exist in our universe, by the logic of this universe.

I can also provide other paradoxes:

If you go back to the past and kill your parents before they conceive you, you would cease to exist, because you were never conceived. And if you were never conceived how would you go back and kill your parents?

See?
Impossible.

He is a phony, him and everyone who claims time travel.

Wow, your smarter than Albert Einstein! Who theorized time travel was the 4th demension to our universe. Also that physicists in Isreal have supposedly came up with the solution to the donut theory Albert Einstein claimed, along with the study at CERN being able to create miniature blackholes. Good thing your post let me know time doesnt exist. Now I can quit aging.

 

[punkbass2000]

Past and future never exist. Time itself does not exist, and that's the main reason time travelling is not possible. Only the present can exist in our universe, by the logic of this universe.

I agree.

I can also provide other paradoxes:

If you go back to the past and kill your parents before they conceive you, you would cease to exist, because you were never conceived. And if you were never conceived how would you go back and kill your parents?

Just because you can invent a logical paradox doesn't mean time-travel is impossible. You cannot go back and kill your parents because you didn't kill your parents. The actions you take when you travel to the past already happened. You do not alter the timeline; you fulfill it.

 

[Tenochtitlan]

The ironic thing is that I just got done killing Lavos in Chrono Trigger[v.snes] (if you've heard of it)(if not it's a popular snes game based on time travelling)

 

[JohnRM]

Not sound like I am scolding you, but we have been over this topic on this forum more than a dozen times, at length.

 

[Leonel]

Past and future never exist. Time itself does not exist, and that's the main reason time travelling is not possible. Only the present can exist in our universe, by the logic of this universe.

I can also provide other paradoxes:

If you go back to the past and kill your parents before they conceive you, you would cease to exist, because you were never conceived. And if you were never conceived how would you go back and kill your parents?

See?
Impossible.

He is a phony, him and everyone who claims time travel.

Well perhaps you killed a couple that you thought were your parents! Or perhaps you were conceived earlier without your knowledge.

And if you went back in time to kill your parents, your gun could jam or you could have forgotten your knife or the bomb you set under their bed could be a dud (and if the bomb did explode, perhaps they went off on holiday that wasn't really important to inform you about) or your parents give you a very convincing argument as to why not to kill them or perhaps you'd really stink at shooting a sniper rifle and people would kill you on the spot. A lot of things can happen between the time you arrive and the time you purportedly commit the act.

Which is why I think that you cannot change time but be a part of it. Perhaps the soldier that tried to assassinate Hitler with a bomb was a time traveller that failed because he couldn't anticipate every single move Hitler would make. Or perhaps the original people that wanted Barabus released instead of Jesus were time travelers that sort of jumped the gun because they were told by their time travel agents that that is what you should say when Jesus and Barabus are presented. (a short story by Ray Bradbury I think)

 

[Tenochtitlan]

Wow, your smarter than Albert Einstein! Who theorized time travel was the 4th demension to our universe. Also that physicists in Isreal have supposedly came up with the solution to the donut theory Albert Einstein claimed, along with the study at CERN being able to create miniature blackholes. Good thing your post let me know time doesnt exist. Now I can quit aging.

Actually the paradox is similar to one in Stephen Hawking's book A Brief History of Time.

And just because Einstein said something doesn't make it right.