Judge Advocate Elections

[Bootstoots]

DZ, first of all, I do not appreciate what I consider to be a personal insult. I do know of the judiciary system, I was in it for 3 terms plus part of a fourth. I am supporting CG because he supports what I believe to be right in the demogame. Though there may be some minor controversy about that, he would have the constitutional right to prosecute his own case, if elected. I see no problem with that at all, given that he probably knows more about the charges against donsig than most of the rest of us do, because he filed the PI. It would be a problem for a PD or CJ to be elected who filed the PI, but not the JA. It could be considered an asset to have the JA elected who also filed the PI.

BTW, I resigned from Public Defender about half an hour before your post.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

I don't see it that way, but I apologize if you were offended. I know that you and the Chief Justice have different views regarding the actual role of the court. And during this tenuous time, we should have jumped at the chance to avoid further controversy.

You must have been off in #debates instead of the actual chat during my time there yesterday, because you would have seen my potential in this position. I still surprised that as outraged as Fanatica seems to be, the citizens have no interest in electing a Judge Advocate with my tenacity and attention to detail.

On a positive note, I do commend you on your decision to resign as Public Defender. I know that this has been a tough time for you and you have handled it well for the most part.

 

[Bootstoots]

@DZ - Sorry if my above language is a bit harsh. I am no longer offended. I will not post a rebuttal to avoid further controversy, though I still support CivGeneral. I do however believe that you have good potential as JA, but I would rather see CG in the chair.

Thank you for supporting my decision to resign as PD. I think it will be the best choice for Fanatica.

 

[GenMarshall]

I would like to encurage all Citizens to Vote for CivGeneral for JA. I have good potential to be JA, I have gained experiance though the Judicary by Observing the other Judicary Members, I have read the consitution many times. I would like to have a shot at gaining Experiance in the Judicary Department. I am willing to work hard for the Demogame Government, and I am willing to return to the Government Possition.

I will ensure that there will be no conflict of interest for me to
prosecute my own PI. I will treat the PI as if it was submitied by someone elts. I will ensure that I will stand on Neutral grounds

Please Support CivGeneral, I will ensure a fair trial.

 

[GenMarshall]

After reading the past posts. There are a couple of things that I want to point out, and to say something in my defense to this "mudslinging"

Originally posted by Donovan Zoi
Don't you people know what a huge conflict of interest it is for a Judge Advocate to prosecute his own PI? Electing CivGeneral will add even more controversy to this entire proceeding.

@DZ - There is not going to be a Conflict of interest for me to prosecute my PI, I will only treat it if it was sent by someone elts. This will not add any more controversy to the proceedings. I will follow through on a Neutral platform, I will give Donsig a fair Trial.

To all, I would like you to Vote for me for JA, I will ensure that everyone will get a fair Trial

 

[DaveShack]

Wow, take a little trip and the world goes to hell while you're gone!

I must raise a question about conflict of interest if CivGeneral were elected JA. This is not a question about the merits of the case against Donsig, nor does it have anything to do with CivGeneral's personal motivation. The problem arises in the normally accepted responsibility (taken from RL law) of the JA to drop charges if there is insufficient evidence. Can the individual who stands to benefit by taking the office of the accused if found guilty, also be the one who prosecutes the case? In the US this would be the same thing as the VP prosecuting an impeachment case against the President. We have separation of powers to ensure that does not happen. (Yes, it's a bad analogy because US impeachments are not conducted by the judiciary, but think the point is valid)

 

[Donovan Zoi]

That is not mudslinging, CG. That is merely the way I see things, and for the most part, how they have been done since the DemoGame started.

Why do you think Bootstoots would not bring forward a PI while he was still on the Judiciary? Granted, his job is to defend the accused, but even with that in mind no member of the judiciary has never to my knowledge initiated a PI, only to try it themselves shortly thereafter. In a roundabout way, that is what would happen here.

This statement certainly doesn't fall under mudslinging, CivGeneral. I am not saying that you are unfit for this office, but instead that the timing could be seen as suspect should this go to trial. You could lose your case.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

Originally posted by DaveShack
Wow, take a little trip and the world goes to hell while you're gone!

I must raise a question about conflict of interest if CivGeneral were elected JA. This is not a question about the merits of the case against Donsig, nor does it have anything to do with CivGeneral's personal motivation. The problem arises in the normally accepted responsibility (taken from RL law) of the JA to drop charges if there is insufficient evidence. Can the individual who stands to benefit by taking the office of the accused if found guilty, also be the one who prosecutes the case? In the US this would be the same thing as the VP prosecuting an impeachment case against the President. We have separation of powers to ensure that does not happen. (Yes, it's a bad analogy because US impeachments are not conducted by the judiciary, but think the point is valid)

Thanks, Dave, and welcome to ThunderDome. An even better example of conflict of interest. I can't believe I missed that one........

 

[disorganizer]

i would say:
cg should propably step back from the election... i also missed that conflict of interest...

and for the future, we should urgently bring forth a law that no member of the judicacy can have any position inside any other part of the government... which would include governors, deputies, chat representatives etc...

 

[Noldodan]

Originally posted by DaveShack
Wow, take a little trip and the world goes to hell while you're gone!

I must raise a question about conflict of interest if CivGeneral were elected JA. This is not a question about the merits of the case against Donsig, nor does it have anything to do with CivGeneral's personal motivation. The problem arises in the normally accepted responsibility (taken from RL law) of the JA to drop charges if there is insufficient evidence. Can the individual who stands to benefit by taking the office of the accused if found guilty, also be the one who prosecutes the case? In the US this would be the same thing as the VP prosecuting an impeachment case against the President. We have separation of powers to ensure that does not happen. (Yes, it's a bad analogy because US impeachments are not conducted by the judiciary, but think the point is valid)

Yes, indeed it DOES go to hell. Now, as to your COI argument. Is it not the job of the JA to prosecute the case to the fullest extent of his abilities? Would not an incentive (promotion) to prove the defendant guilty only make him do the job better?

 

[GenMarshall]

Originally posted by Donovan Zoi
That is not mudslinging, CG... ...This statement certainly doesn't fall under mudslinging, CivGeneral.

@DZ - Well, it offended me when you mentioned that there would be a Conflict of Interest when I win JA . Even when there is no Conflict of Interest IMO. And I would like to appologise to you that I thought it was a Mudslinging. I did not expect Donsig to do such a thing when I accepted my nomination.

 

[disorganizer]

@noldi:
well, at the DG the job of the JA is also to throw down a pi directly if there is no true evidence for the case or if the pi seems to be biased or makes no sense... this way he should propably not have anything to do with the case itself nor profit from it...

but also, as there are no rules for pi-processing .... i just would like to state that we should urgently make a law that no member of the judicacy should have any other job in the demogame, neither deputy, governor or leader, to prevent such cases from the beginning!

 

[Cyc]

Ha! And Bootsie gets a vote in with 12 minutes left to put Civ General in the lead by one vote.

 

[Bootstoots]

@Cyc - How right you are, albeit it was more like 16 minutes.
Poll results:
CivGeneral: 10
Donovan Zoi: 9
Bacon King: 2
Civanator: 1
Vander: 1

 

[Peri]

This exchange of views between Cyc and Boots greatly disturbs me. If Cyc has an allegation to make then he must do so immeiately.

 

[Bootstoots]

@Peri - I was withholding my vote until the last moment. This was not a DL. I wanted to see how well CG would do before casting my vote at the last moment. Though I campaigned for him, I did not cast my vote until the last moment, as I told several people. I also wanted to prevent a tie at all costs, if he was down by 1, I would have abstained to prevent a tie from happening.

 

[Peri]

Thankyou for clarifying that for me.

 

[Noldodan]

And it's CG by a nose!

 

[Bootstoots]

My nose!

 

[GenMarshall]

Wow, this is a supprise . Thansk to everyone who supported me .