[K-mod] (2) The British Empire

Getting the Great Library often slows your Astro date, if I was oracling anything it probably be currency or MC or col (skip meditation so philo doesn't open up).

The land is weak on this map for GS farming. One could use the double fish spot for another GP farm, but that option would hinder horse city. With marble around, the GLib+NE approach is double. Possibly later Astro, but it's also production setup that matters for the war. The Paya wonder is also interesting here with available gold.
 
So I am researching the culture changes which might become important:

Culture bomb value is now 800*era, i.e. classical age ->1600, middle ages -> 2400, renaissance -> 3200, industrial -> 4000, etc.
Cathedrals give only +40% culture
Colosseum gives +20% culture
"many buildings" give less culture
Free speech only +50% culture
1000 year bonus only doubles base culture, without Sistine bonus (e.g., 1*2+3 instead of (1+3)*2 for temples).

Hmm... 300H GLighthouse... reward with 8 coastal cities are 16 trade routes with, let's say, a value of roughly 3 commerce, i.e. 54 commerce per turn. So it pays for itself at 1H=3C in roughly 20 turns. Still a good ROI in my book, and opportunity costs are not that high in my case.
Let's just hope nobody else builds it first...


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Turn 101. Build the GLH, settled three more cities, including the island city (which gave me immediate +16 beakers - noticeable when you jump from 83 to 99). Research has resumed - with 1300 gold in the bank, and at -24 per turn I can keep 100% up for a long, long time. First GS is imminent, which will build an academy at Nottingham, which will become my capital in some time as well. Research has resumed, and after a brief diversion for agriculture, maths has been researched and currency is next. Then probably metal casting for colossus, and monarchy for happiness. Settling the last spots, horse/fish, 2S of wheat and on the marble is my next goal - actually, that should have already happened, building a lighthouse/library in York was probably a mistake.

State of the land:
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So... should I head for culture or not? Christianity is already taken by now, btw.
 

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Any reason you moving to nottingham? it only has the cows + copper for hammers and isn't really that much better commerce wise, 3 riverside, 4 non for cottages vs gold 2 wine 4 non for cottages and 3 from each clam

I'd of setted Hasting 1SE, 3rd ring horses are fine and could always settle for wheat + horse if really wanted them.
 
Hmm. That's too bad about the nerfed culture bomb. When I get that early artist, I usually prefer to use him to peacefully take over some AI/barb cities, as it seems too early to blow the easy first golden age.
 
You don't have to play for culture, research is fine. No religion to support it and land is meh.
 
Just had a quick play thru, I was able to get Astro at 580AD, not the best but i played pretty quickly from the 4000BC save. K-Mod 1.30
 
Just had a quick play thru, I was able to get Astro at 580AD, not the best but i played pretty quickly from the 4000BC save. K-Mod 1.30

Nice. :) I got it a bit later, along with Engineering in 800 AD. I'd be interested to see your save and to hear what what was your strategy.

I'll attach the 1200AD save, ready to DoW with 11 loaded galleons. Trebs and supporting troops. I made many mistakes, such as:

  • thinking 2GS are needed for Engineering (?) and overshooting with GS generation
  • forgot to wake up workers after CS (but nvm, whipping to low size anyway)
  • various tech path mistakes
  • building infrastructure too soon instead of settling
...

Anyway, I've built the GLib+NE in capital and also the Paya in another city. That's a nice wonder with Gold, no need to research Philosophy and Theocracy. I stayed in slavery all the way and got all GP from the capital. 6 cities settled, farmed everything. First great prophet settled, GS academy, 2 GS Astro, 1 GA golden age and 1 GS Engineering. Another 2 GS for Education by inertia, but I won't need that.

1200 AD screenshot:
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If i had carried on I'd of probably libbed MT, bulbed/teched Chemistry and gone Frigates+Galleons with Curs, taken all the coastal cities and capped everyone pretty quickly.

I stayed at only 4 cities (think I should of settled a 5th looking back now), skipped GLib, forgot to switch to slavery for ages which hurt, never got an academy (probably a mistake should probably of used 1st for that and gotten 2 more rather than just getting 2). Cottaged the grass riverside and farmed all the grassland, workshopped the plains not need to spread irrigation (for when i would of gotten CS, workshops for later once going hammer ecom) I'll check if got save, and if i do try and play thru to around your date to see how close to Frigates+Curs i'd be
 
I'm playing this map with 1.30. Also I saw that you're giving the info outside of spoiler. Not a concern for me: I just skip all the posts.

I'm writing quite (too much) detailed note about my game - no photo though; do you want me to put this in spoiler? I'm not sure how I could do that (javascript doesn't work here).
 
So I played to Turn 180. Badly.

Due to turning off the slider for too long, I missed Music by two turns :mad: That GA would have been very helpful. Tech path was very, very sloppy as well. Several stupid mistakes - switching into caste when I could run no specialists, etc. Got Astro in ... 1000 AD or so :( Trying for music also delayed much-needed Monarchy, etc.

Still, it seems I am doing pretty decently compared to the AI.

We got:

The Chinese Vikings (Ragnar/Qin Shi sharing Judaism and a very small island)
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The Dutch/Sumerian/Russian conglomerate:
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And the new world, an untamed wilderness:
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All AIs are sufficiently backwards:
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with the possible exception of Willem, who, nevertheless, will certainly not beat me to Lib (but has Astro).
I guess Cathy and Gilga have been going at it like a bunch of angry monkeys armed with sticks and stones for quite some time. Well, I am happy to watch..


Anyway, where to go now? I could settle the wilderness, but I am not sure whether it would be worth the maintenance. On the other hand, I do not want Willem to settle there - he is strong enough already.

Otherwise, I think I can tech peacefully to rifling/cannons (might lib chemistry) and roll over Qin, followed by Ragnar, followed by Gilga and Cathy. Willem is then just a sitting duck.
 

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Eastern city should go 1E if you ask me. It frees up 1 grassland and still keeps the wine and as said it can even share the cow if necessary. I would settle the most SW city maybe even on the copper. You will loose the production from the copper but you will have 2 grassland mine, marble and a desert hill to work making it quite a good production center. And it will have less overlap with horse city. This will be an interesting game again. Thx for sharing.
 
Well ok forget it.
 
I'm playing this map with 1.30. Also I saw that you're giving the info outside of spoiler. Not a concern for me: I just skip all the posts.

I'm writing quite (too much) detailed note about my game - no photo though; do you want me to put this in spoiler? I'm not sure how I could do that (javascript doesn't work here).

Copy-paste and put spoiler tags.
 
1585AD conquest:

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Treb+galleon rollover.

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Will was first, then Gilga. He had a stack of war elephants and horse archers there, but nothing to beat the trebs.

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Triremes blockading. :crazyeye::lol:

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Something odd, one city flipped back to my vassal! This shouldn't happen without culture flipping after conquest checked. The other city revolted constantly as well, really annoying. Even with 11 units, the chances were around 8%.

All in all, not a difficult game. Still (only) Emperor and the AI didn't have much land to develop better.

 

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Wow. That is pretty impressive - my first attack with cannons was at 1600 AD.
I do not have time to do screenshots today. A quick rundown on what has happened until 1700 AD

-had to go directly for Lib, as Willem bulbed Education. Almost missed Lib due to that. Got Nationalism. Used Taj Golden Age to tech to chemistry and build privateers to mess with QinShi while teching Steel. Got steel, build cannons, capitulated QinShi. A second wave of cannons is underway to capitulate Ragnar.

The problem is that Willem is in full on runaway mode. His GDP is rouhly three times as high as mine, and his production probably twice as high. This is mostly due to him founding Civilized Jewellers (befitting the Dutch), and having Steam Power.

I think there is no way to beat him currently, so I am preparing to settle down for late game, and started boosting my economy with stock exchanges. I have a large advantage in land and food, and with Ragnar capitulated I should be able to catch up in tech a bit.
I just have to hope that Willem does not come after me any time soon, and that he refrains from conquering the rest of is continent...
 

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Thanks. :) Trebs are great for watery maps, everything goes fast with galleons. I wonder if one could win this with catapults. Not an easy job with elephants around and big AI stacks. The AI is definitely stronger and faster than in normal civ. What's nice though, capitulation seems easier. You beat them down and they surrender, regardless of some weak AI somewhere else. That's how it seems, at least. Also, I've read in the change log there's no more attitude averaging when you take a vassal, that's a really nice change.

For the next game, may I suggest Immortal Pangea? Tech trading on. No tech brokering makes it easier imo, there's no risk they will broker your monopoly techs that way.

EDIT: I've started a game here with these settings here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=463649 :)
 
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