KoS2 - There can be only war

nice set :goodjob:
What about building a road to Kish so we can get some more trade routes.
Libraries are really needed, especially in Uruk.
We can run some scientists there to boost our research.
Normally I would go for alphabet to trade it for fishing/iron working, but we have only 2trade partners now. The warrior east of Shaka should do some more scouting to find trade partners, and the vulture will be ready in time to defend against the barb archer.
We should set 1 warrior west of our cities to fogbust. I just see there is only 1 hill where barbs can spawn :p
I think we should release shaka, but make sure that he doesn't get horse (or copper/iron), just set the vulture on it. That way he won't get anything stronger than archers, but he will get more cities wich we can steal later.
 
Been gone a few days and a lot has happened. Getting Fishing could allow us to scout with a wb and find some other trading partners. Getting libraries going for those scientists, Kish for the :culture: pressure from WK.

I think we should release shaka, but make sure that he doesn't get horse (or copper/iron), just set the vulture on it. That way he won't get anything stronger than archers, but he will get more cities wich we can steal later.
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What about the banana site? He won't have metals until IW shows up, but he's surely crippled right now. Seeing all those yellow archers looks like a hornets nest!
Getting that woody warrior scouting more will help too. Roading to Kish is the only way, until Sailing, to get the extra :commerce:.
 
Got save will go over my thoughs when I look at it. Seems to be nice 2 sets from Stoch and Mfie.
 
Nice set, for a first time at Emperor too :goodjob:!

Observations:

-Let's Open Borders with Wang now. We get instant +2:commerce: from trade routes.
-Not sure why the worker started making the road in the jungle while there was a grassland with no jungle next to it (1 worker turn lost)
-Slider to 0% now: get a library in Uruk next and we could use some spare gold in case a bad event comes about
-Send the warrior in Shaka's border to look what's around those 3 golds up north. With even 1 food resource, a settler needs to be rushed there. After that send him somewhere to fogbust barbs for a while.

WK won't settle more in our direction since Kish will pop borders in 5 turns and he won't send a settler through Shaka. Keep the choke on Shaka and pillage things with the Vulture/kill stray archers should there be any.

After Fishing, I think Alphabet is as good a tech as any else. We'll want to head to Construction/HBR for the dreaded elepult combo.

WII warrior will be scouting east to give us an idea of what's over there...

Finish road to WK obviously for another 2 :commerce: and farm the riverside grassland in Eridu when you get a chance.

No point settling in the jungle right now imo. There might be better commerce sites east.

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mfie said:
nice set :goodjob:
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I think we should release shaka, but make sure that he doesn't get horse (or copper/iron), just set the vulture on it. That way he won't get anything stronger than archers, but he will get more cities wich we can steal later.
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Thanks!
I'm reluctant to release the hold on Shaka, because I don't want to deal with a more productive enemy even if it is only archers. Also we don't know where the iron is yet, but Shaka might beeline it since we are threatening so hard.

Does anyone have an idea about Shaka's tendency to go for iron working? That would be good to know.

kossin said:
Nice set, for a first time at Emperor too :goodjob:!

Observations:

-Let's Open Borders with Wang now. We get instant +2:commerce: from trade routes.
-Not sure why the worker started making the road in the jungle while there was a grassland with no jungle next to it (1 worker turn lost)
-Slider to 0% now: get a library in Uruk next and we could use some spare gold in case a bad event comes about
-Send the warrior in Shaka's border to look what's around those 3 golds up north. With even 1 food resource, a settler needs to be rushed there. After that send him somewhere to fogbust barbs for a while.
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I agree about OB with Wang now that he's blocked. Besides, it is only the nice thing to do since we'll be stealing his pasture:lol:

Good point about the worker, I was a bit worried about the barbarian archer (was a square closer I think), so I was trying to keep the worker close to the archer moving towards Shaka. But now that I look at it again, I think the vulture would be done in time anyways. I'll catch that next time.

kossin said:
WII warrior will be scouting east to give us an idea of what's over there...
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I'd like to get onto the jungle hill first to reveal the last four squares of Shaka's territory. Shaka only has 3 visible resources in his BFC right now (but lots of trees and I hear that is often a "consolation prize"), it would be nice to confirm that he doesn't have a suspicious open space 1W of the corn...

In other news, I've got two finals this week so I expect to be a bit less active on the forum, in a lurking but less posting sort of manner. I'll try to drop in once a day, but no promises!
 
You're right, we should wait until we got IW before releasing Shaka (if we don't kill him by then)
 
If Shaka doesn't move enough archers out of Ulundi, it'll be costly to take it, we might wait until Catapults to ease the :hammers: cost - although it is a great city from the looks of it.
 
Ok looked over save.

Agree with alot already posted. OB with Wang. Road to Wang. Techin fishing also.

Uruk has granary in 1 turn think tyhis was chopped. Vulture que'd in slot I'm going to replace this with library.

Eridu after vulture could be few options. Settler if gold site has food, another vulture or a worker. Or even barracks. My thought is settler if gold site has food, if not another vulture.

Kish Granary>Library for the culture pressure is my thought.

Also need to explore east to see if any AI's there or if some nice settling spots there.

Only question I have is what's after fishing? Although I think I'll binary research fishing so capital gets Library. So my turn prolly over once fishing in.

And I agree keeping choke on Shaka.
 
We kinda need another worker before we plant a 4th city too...

Agree on Uruk build order. Eridu should grow to 3 maybe 4 (another Vulture?) and a worker/settler depending from there.

After Fishing... dunno. I'd say Alphabet... it might open up IW/Mathematics trades.
 
mjg5591 said:
Uruk has granary in 1 turn think tyhis was chopped. Vulture que'd in slot I'm going to replace this with library.

Only question I have is what's after fishing? Although I think I'll binary research fishing so capital gets Library. So my turn prolly over once fishing in.
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I'm pretty sure I whipped the granary in Uruk, not a chop, but, yes I agree on the switch to library.

kossin said:
After Fishing... dunno. I'd say Alphabet... it might open up IW/Mathematics trades.
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Regarding techs, I'd say Alphabet and then try to get to Priesthood for the courthouses. The extra eps points could be used to steal from Wang, and maybe city revolt Shaka for an early take out. Also by then we'll hopefully have more cities. If we settle the gold, the reduced maintenance would be really nice!

Actually, I think I remember some discussion about rearranging the eps distribution to focus on Shaka and Wang, I don't have time to check if that happened, but I know I didn't do it. :blush:
 
Focusing EP on Wang would certainly be better since Shaka won't be in the game for long...

We don't really need Ziggurats for maintenance right now, we just need more commerce. But it's a good point since they're cheap and not that far in the tech tree.
 
Ok played short round.

IT set slider to 0 to stock some gold. OB with Wang.

1520BC Move Warrior from shaka hill to scout gold site. Switch to Library in Uruk.

1480BC Vulture done in Eridu and start on another. Send vulture up to harass Shaka.

1440BC GW BIDL.

1400BC Not much happened here.

1360BC Library done in Uruk start on vulture. Should have prolly went settler here. Grassland cow spotted up near gold and copper. Judaism FIDL.

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1320BC Vulture done in Eridu start on worker. Have Vulture in Eridu as Barb archer is roaming around near to the west.

1280BC Road to Wang complete. Boudica converts to Judaism. Uruk hits size 4 and start working 2 scientists.Turn slider up to get fishing done in 2.

1240BC Not much happened here.

1200BC Fishing in turn slider off again. Slot in Alphabet.

1160BC Pillage pigs in shaka land getting 3 gold. I stopped here.

Have worker farming rice in Kish. Have other worker farming grassland tile in Eridu.

Have Vulture and archer 1N of shaka capital. Have 2 archer's still on forested hill 1SW of shaka capital. 1 warrior still up north scouting. 1 warrior out east scouting. Spotted gold to the east also. Might need to hurry to get the old/copper/cow site, kinda why I stopped. To see where we want to go. I prolly should have went settler in Uruk or eridu. I didn't whip anything or chop anything either.

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I think we might want to settle that gold site. Will really help with expansion and military costs. Also prolly need WB's soon for the fish and clams. Hopefully Wang doesn't go for the gold site. He has 4 cities already though.

I also just realized I didn't do anything with the EP. Next player might want to put on Wang.

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Good set! :goodjob:

Only place I think worth settling that gold is actually on the middle-gold. The city won't grow big but it'll bring commerce and :) to the empire.

Focus EP on WK!

Uruk>wb next then barracks
Eridu>move the vulture towards the barb archer wb next or Barracks?

With ~6 CI vultures we should be able to kill Shaka and get a better Capital.

Someone cares to make a dotmap?

Honestly, I don't think this will be very hard from here but we don't know enough about Arabs/Celts to say for certain.

Love the 4 WK archers going for Shaka XD

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2. mfie
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My thoughts exactly about settling the gold site up north. Tried to also scout the gold to the east but had to run away from barb archer for a few turns.

I forgot to mention WK sending those archer's, nice pick-up kossin.

I would prolly go wb(whip)wb in Uruk then worker or settler for anger. Barracks in Eridu then Vultures. If we take Ulundi then move palace here Uruk could become real nice GPfarm.
 
Things are looking good. I agree about the middle gold site. How much do we prioritize that vs killing Shaka? I can't open the save at the moment, so I am unclear how much defense he has. I guess the question is: are we planning to kill him soon or waiting for cats? I assumed the latter, but Kossin's comments (and the high priority on barracks) left me a bit confused.

If we are planning on killing him with cats, should we put higher priority on making a settler for the gold site?

Actually, maybe the settler should be made at kish after it finishes the granary? In retrospect, that seems like the obvious answer, since kish has a decent food supply and will grow to size 4 before the granary finishes. Presumably we will 2-pop whip the settler.
 
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