Late Spring 2012 is too soon

[Drago Askani]

I wonder if the XP will include the DLC civs to catch late adopters up to the game

I also wonder what their DLC strategy will be going forward given we're getting so many new civs in the package.

More Civs right after XP might be overkill.

Dear god I hope they dont include the dlc for free. That would be a slap in the face of all of us that bought them. You want them, you buy them.

 

[Bechhold]

I would think, like many others, is that it has been development for at least 6-7 months. What matters is how long they have been doing Play Testing, QA, Debugging etc.

 

[Deggial]

I agree, Bechhold. Usually, working at an expansion starts right after release of the main game.

What I fear about the three month of speculation time, are the expectations that will skyrocket as usual. There are already strong incidences for this here at the forum: Many threads are started and find their willing audience that are *not* based on facts we alredy know, but on what people *hope* willl be in the expansion.

And - as we all should know - too high expectations necessarily lead to disappointment. So, there is some danger in a too early proclamation. Personally, I would have prefered a closer timeframe between announcement and release.

 

[Mivo]

Dear god I hope they dont include the dlc for free. That would be a slap in the face of all of us that bought them. You want them, you buy them.

I doubt it. As you said, it would be a pretty short-sighted move and unnecessarily upset the very customers who didn't mind shelling out extra money.

What I expect is an inexpensive bundle as a way for people to "catch up", or maybe an individual price reduction for the old DLC. I'd not mind that, and I did buy all the DLC, even the unimpressive cradles. Then again, the stuff is cheap as it is for people who spend dozens or hundreds of hours with the game.

 

[MadDjinn]

I agree, Bechhold. Usually, working at an expansion starts right after release of the main game.

What I fear about the three month of speculation time, are the expectations that will skyrocket as usual. There are already strong incidences for this here at the forum: Many threads are started and find their willing audience that are *not* based on facts we alredy know, but on what people *hope* willl be in the expansion.

And - as we all should know - too high expectations necessarily lead to disappointment. So, there is some danger in a too early proclamation. Personally, I would have prefered a closer timeframe between announcement and release.

I don't mind the extra time in the public eye before the release.

If they're still in testing mode, or maybe finishing bits and pieces, the community could randomly come up with ideas that would be very simple to add in. Given that they've seemed to at least read some community sites looking for suggestions, that wouldn't surprise me. More complex, or less realistic/directional ideas would still be ignored for the Xpac release, but they might still consider it for later.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind a bundle. Even as someone who bought them, that wouldn't bother me. Although, with steam sales, it's mostly the same thing.

 

[Bechhold]

I'm sure they are still in development but also, I would hope, play testing right now. For example, the UI I'm sure can/is still being tweaked which is why I don't understand why people are freaking out about certain screenshots.

 

[RuntimeError]

Not so much speculation. In his interviews, he always plugged the "one thing in/one thing out" philosophy for the design of the game. From what we're seeing about the expansion, that doesn't seem to have guided the design. We're getting quite a few entirely new elements--or well, new implementations of elements that were abandoned from Civ IV.

Clearly Civ V was designed to appeal to a broad market by tightening the focus and scope of the game design. Maybe the design team for G&K figures that this is for the hard-core base, the people who want more features and all the increased complexity that goes with them.

Okay, so that is speculation, but not so much "wild" and...hey, what's with the "poor" crack anyway?!?

; )

I'm pretty sure Schaffer said that in theory there was a spot in Civ5 design that Religion could fit, but it couldn't be the same system of Civ4. They needed time and more work to come with a well-thought mechanic, and they decided to leave it aside at the time.

And for the main topic, sure there was balance, multiplayer and AI issues, but the singleplayer code as stable enough for nowdays standards. Civ5 at launch wasn't buggy. I bought at day one and never had a CTD or any serious bug, same to several friends of mine, just the red spots over tundras.

 

[Skwink]

Where in Europe is that?

A meteorology definition of when spring becomes summer is when the daily mean temperature over a week reaches 10 degrees Celsius. That means spring can turn into summer, can turn into spring and then back into summer.

Calendar late spring wold be in June, because Calendar Spring ends June 22.