Latest BNP charm offensive

[eyrei]

Before Griffin took over a decade ago the BNP could be classed as a watered down Neo Nazi group who's leader preached hatred against the Jews, now all those members have left the BNP and regular patriotic folk have took their place.

Right. The jews have been forgiven, and the blame for all your hardships placed on Muslims who immigrated to Britain? Changing who you hate doesn't change the fact that you are a racist.

 

[Britannia]

Nick Griffin said it never happened! He wrote a book on it! Christ on a bike! Talk about denying history, you're now denying what happened less than a decade ago!

That was the past this is now. And in the now Griffin admits the holocaust happened.

Also every party has had criminals as its representatives, I could post a list three times as large as the one about the BNP about LAbour, Lib Dems and tories.

 

[Mise]

That was the past this is now. And in the now Griffin admits the holocaust happened.

After dedicated so much of his life (and a book) to holocaust denial, you'd have to be pretty naive to believe him.

Also every party has had criminals as its representatives, I could post a list three times as large as the one about the BNP about LAbour, Lib Dems and tories.

None of them would include links with Neo-Nazi groups, Combat 18, or convictions involving violent crimes or incitment to racial hatred (Nick Griffin, of course, has that honour).

And if the list is three times as long, it's because there are three parties, not one, and there are hundreds of times more Labour, Tory and Lib Dem members than BNP members.

 

[Britannia]

Right. The jews have been forgiven, and the blame for all your hardships placed on Muslims who immigrated to Britain? Changing who you hate doesn't change the fact that you are a racist.

The BNP under Griffin has never hated Jews. The BNP became a completely new party under Griffin. We dont blame everything on the Muslims we blame what they are responsible for, the problem is that they are here and they have no right to be here.

 

[Yom]

You have misunderstood my point, I did not say they had no right to. My view is not based on rights or morality but rather what is best for my people. For my people I mean English, Scottish and Welsh. Now England and Scotland are for the most part made up of the same ancestry, a mixture of celtic, anglo saxon and norse. The Welsh and Cornish are more Celtic. For me all of these ancestries come together to make the British ethnic race which has sub groups of Scotland,England (who are have generally the same mix of Ancient Briton and Anglo Saxon) and also Wales who have more Celtic blood in them.

These are the people that make up the British "race", now a European could emmigrate into Britain and his children would be British because the old British "races" are all European Saxon, Celt etc.

An Afican might say that we have no right to kick him out of the country because we ourselves are immigrants from Europe, but that is stupid and naive. Whether it is moral or not this is the homeland of the British race which is part of the European ethnic group, and it is in the best interests of our people to have a unified country that is racially and culturully unified.

If you were really just trying to do the best for your people, then why do you support expelling immigrants? They contribute a great deal to your economy, and the standard of living for the average Britain would plummet. The two are contradictory.

 

[Britannia]

After dedicated so much of his life (and a book) to holocaust denial, you'd have to be pretty naive to believe him.

Holocaust denial was simply a given for what he wanted to run, which was the NF. He said it for political purposes. Also does him denying the holocaust matter to the policies at all? No. Just because you dont believe the holocaust took place doesnt mean that your going to start a one of your own.

None of them would include links with Neo-Nazi groups, Combat 18, or convictions involving violent crimes or incitment to racial hatred (Nick Griffin, of course, has that honour).

Links which are all gone. Also incitement to racial hatred is a means nothing, it isnt a real crime it is a weapon that the political elite try to use to silence us.

And if the list is three times as long, it's because there are three parties, not one, and there are hundreds of times more Labour, Tory and Lib Dem members than BNP members.

Ah but this list includes some pretty appalling crimes far worse than anything the BNP is accused of, unless you think incitment to racial hatred is worse than paedophillia.

 

[Mise]

Ah but this list includes some pretty appalling crimes far worse than anything the BNP is accused of, unless you think incitment to racial hatred is worse than paedophillia.

Of course not, and I won't defend those who commited such crimes. You, apparently, will:

Holocaust denial was simply a given for what he wanted to run, which was the NF. He said it for political purposes. Also does him denying the holocaust matter to the policies at all? No. Just because you dont believe the holocaust took place doesnt mean that your going to start a one of your own.
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Links which are all gone. Also incitement to racial hatred is a means nothing, it isnt a real crime it is a weapon that the political elite try to use to silence us.

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[Britannia]

If you were really just trying to do the best for your people, then why do you support expelling immigrants? They contribute a great deal to your economy, and the standard of living for the average Britain would plummet. The two are contradictory.

Muti culturism brings weakness to a nation, economically immigration may be beneficial for a time(not multi culturism that is often an unfortunate consequence of immigration) but socially, culturally and morally it makes us weaker. Multi culturism is by definition cultures working against each other within a country. The BNP believes a nationalist government and the creation of a strong, disciplined and racially unified nation is far better than what we have at the moment. It will make Britain strong again, it will be a national rebirth doing away with the liberal weaknesses that has saw us decline so far in so little time.

The BNP will rule for all the British people not just the rich who care more about their own money than they do their country. We will secure the future of the British people for centuries to come.

 

[Britannia]

Of course not, and I won't defend those who commited such crimes.

Good.
Look I understand and accept that the BNP has a pretty atrocious past under Tyndall and that some of the BNP leadership have origins in that party but now the BNP is getting rid of those elements. The real power under Griffin is in the regional organisers hands and they are a pretty decent bunch with very little connection to the old Tyndall era.

 

[Mise]

Good.
Look I understand and accept that the BNP has a pretty atrocious past under Tyndall and that some of the BNP leadership have origins in that party but now the BNP is getting rid of those elements. The real power under Griffin is in the regional organisers hands and they are a pretty decent bunch with very little connection to the old Tyndall era.

Same horse different jockey.

I'll remind you of something you just said:

He said it for political purposes.

It's clear to me and to everyone else that Griffin and the BNP have always been and will always be a Racist party. This "goodie goodie" act is just for political purposes.

 

[Britannia]

It's clear to me and to everyone else that Griffin and the BNP have always been and will always be a Racist party. This "goodie goodie" act is just for political purposes.

No this is the BNP. The BNP manifesto is not simply the work of Nick Griffin it is the result of monthsand months of debate and consultaion between members, even if Griffin doesn't believe in them(which I dont accept) the rest of us do.

The BNP hides nothing, we are a nationalist part that wants an all European Britain.

 

[Rik Meleet]

Good.
Look I understand and accept that the BNP has a pretty atrocious past under Tyndall and that some of the BNP leadership have origins in that party but now the BNP is getting rid of those elements. The real power under Griffin is in the regional organisers hands and they are a pretty decent bunch with very little connection to the old Tyndall era.

It seems that the BNP throws away the past so easily when it suits them, but is unable to throw away the past of current inhabitants of the UK as the BNP judges British citizens based upon the history of the location they -or their parents- are born.

That is racist to the utter limit. I'd classify the BNP, based upon Britannia's responses as extremely racist and stupid enough to admit it.

 

[luiz]

Why is it so important to keep a country white? It makes no sense to mee.

Also Britannia, stop pretending that there is a precise definition for the white "race". My skin is white, but since I have some spanish ancestors it's not unlikely that I have some moorish blood...

We all came from Africa man... seriously, I can't understand people like you. I can only recommed that you talk to some africans or asians and realise that they're just like the 'traditional' britons.

And if it's trues that the BNP is the fastest growing party in the UK(which I doubt), then I must say I'm disappointed with the brits.

 

[Britannia]

That is racist to the utter limit. I'd classify the BNP, based upon Britannia's responses as extremely racist and stupid enough to admit it.

I dont admit being racist, I admit that I am in favour of an all European Britain, there is a difference. I do not hate other races or religions, with the exception of Islam, and have no problem with an African or Asian as long as he's not invading my country.

Why is it so important to keep a country white? It makes no sense to mee.

1. An all European country means no race conflict.
2. People naturally gravitate towards those that are the same as they are, this divides the country
3. Reason 2 leads to 2 racial communities competing against each other
4. This leads to race wars where my children may become a target because they are white, this is not acceptable to me
5. Multi ethnic countries are weaker than the same country with a mono ethic group
6. The current rate of immigration will lead to situation where Britons are a minority within Briton
7. Reason 6 leads to the weakening of my people as they do not even control their own country
8. They are therefore weaker than the other racial groups within Britain and are subject to their whims, you people may trust the Muslims but I do not.

Also Britannia, stop pretending that there is a precise definition for the white "race". My skin is white, but since I have some spanish ancestors it's not unlikely that I have some moorish blood...

You may not think that there is a European people but I do and Europe is our homeland. History has shown repeatedly that people do take into account people's different ethnic backgrounds, I do not want my people to become the minority their own homeland because we will go the way of the Native Americans. The Africans will have their homelands, the Arabs/Muslims theirs, the Asians theres and what will we have? Absoloutely nothing, the Muslims and Chinese must be laughing at how truly weak we have become, we are doing nothing while our birthrite is snatched from our hands.

And if it's trues that the BNP is the fastest growing party in the UK(which I doubt), then I must say I'm disappointed with the brits.

We are one of the fastest growing parties, its hard to really tell.

 

[Britannia]

Of course not, and I won't defend those who commited such crimes. You, apparently, will:

No I wont defend any crimes commited by BNP members other than incitement to racial hatred which is a joke.

 

[privatehudson]

Also I am not ignorant of the historical events that created our nation, I may not have went to university or college but I have studied this matter intensely and believe I have a good understanding on the matter.

Apparently not as good as some others who have shown influences on British life of a very non-British/European nature.

6% is not a bad result, thats in the tens of thousands I think which is tremendous progress from a few hundred.

And around 400,000 from winning fortunately

ur members are intimidated and threatened with sacking if their bosses or unions find out so I would say that our 800 000 votes at the Euro elections was very good considering that we had every one against us.

Hmmm... interesting. I'd point out that the importance of European Elections is nowhere near that of General Elections. One only has to look at turnout during them for example (40% in my area compared to nearly 70% in general elections. If that's any indication it's far more likely that your vote will in fact go nowhere.

People like you hate us, the white working class and lower middle class do not.

No you're right, I'm white working class and I merely think your deluded, I don't hate you

Your digging your head in the sand, by the time you take it out a Muslim will be there to chop it off.

You're basing this rather interesting thought on precisely what? All Muslims are here to kill us off?

Ah but this list includes some pretty appalling crimes far worse than anything the BNP is accused of, unless you think incitment to racial hatred is worse than paedophillia.

Given that the combined memberships of the 3 parties is quite considerably larger than the membership of the BNP it's hardly a suprise that they will have more convicted people in their ranks than you. BTW, if we're talking sex crimes here, one of your activists during the 2002 elections had a conviction for Rape.

The real power under Griffin is in the regional organisers hands and they are a pretty decent bunch with very little connection to the old Tyndall era.

Tell me, are people like Alan Gould, Kevin Scott and Steve Belshaw still regional organisers?

And if it's trues that the BNP is the fastest growing party in the UK(which I doubt), then I must say I'm disappointed with the brits.

Well this is one Brit who will do his bit to make sure they don't get into power here

I dont admit being racist, I admit that I am in favour of an all European Britain, there is a difference. I do not hate other races or religions, with the exception of Islam, and have no problem with an African or Asian as long as he's not invading my country.

I'd say you have a rather deep hatred of Muslims, e.g. believing they're out to "invade" Britain, that they will force us to accept their laws, that their religion and culture is somehow so alien and abhorrent that it's totally incompatible with being British (even if you happen to be white and born here). Also by the constant use of the term "invading my country" you produce the impression of being racist. In other words though you never actually come out and say anything openly racist, the way your terminology groups all such people together as some form of alien people out to get you lets you down. That's more dangerous than open racism as it undermines them as a people who have any rights or any benefit to our culture or nation. It's with such arguments "they're to blame!" "they're out to get us" "they're not really British!" that enflame the ignorant and violent and begin the road to persecution.

You might believe that the BNP would never allow persecution, but your arguments and wording is far too familiar for anyone with sense to risk putting you in power and risking that persecution. It's too familiar, too memorable to people who know their history. I'm sure you trust Griffin and his party, but most people take a look at the BNP's past, and listen to their arguments in the present and come to the same conclusion. The risk is too great, the situation not desperate enough. Germans in the 1930s probably faced a very similar series of arguments, and look were their faith and trust in a national socialist party got them...

An all European country means no race conflict.

Oh I'll think you'll find that's not quite true somehow. History tells us that it's not only Muslims and non-europeans that the christians wage war on, and that violence amongst groups is not limited to european vs non-european.

People naturally gravitate towards those that are the same as they are, this divides the country

Only if we insist on treating eachother like some Alien race that could not possibly have similar goals to our own

Multi ethnic countries are weaker than the same country with a mono ethic group

Yet to be proven either way.

You may not think that there is a European people but I do and Europe is our homeland.

So would it be BNP foriegn policy to support conflicts which forcibly evict "non-europeans" from Europe?

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

And Brittania, out of curiosity, since religion=/=ethnicity and Muslim=/=Arab, how precisely do you feel about white, ethnically British converts to Islam?

 

[Britannia]

And Brittania, out of curiosity, since religion=/=ethnicity and Muslim=/=Arab, how precisely do you feel about white, ethnically British converts to Islam?

Traitors. They can hop along back to the middle east with their Imams.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

And given that most Muslims do not, in fact, live in the Middle East, don't you mean "hop back to Indonesia with their imams"?

And does that mean you are opposed to religious tolerance?

 

[SolarKnight]

so if a completely european race population in europe is less likely to cause wars, yeah right.

can anyone say world wars 1 + 2.

there may have been various other parties harmed furing the conflict and I do take the holocaust into account, but primarilly it was europeans fighting each other was it not?

(In the beginning at least)