Latest BNP charm offensive

[privatehudson]

No they have a right to be here the Muslims do not.

Only under the racist and historically ignorant viewpoint of the BNP I think you'll find.

The Palestinians would not agree,

I doubt certain palestinians would agree with anything much that didn't hand the land totally to them.

. Have a look how many people in your area voted for the BNP in the recent European election, I bet it was quite a lot.

6% of the vote, which given how much a lot of people not active in politics care about the European elections says a lot. UKIP got more than that.

As I've pointed out on several occasions the BNP is growing at a tremendous rate.

Gonna have to do a lot better than that. In the last general election you either didn't bother to stand where I live, or didn't even get 2% of the vote (uncertainty based on the fact that if you stood your figure is less than 800 out of 39,323 since you didn't merit inclusion on a list of candidates). If you didn't bother to stand it probably shows you didn't stand even a remote chance of winning.

 

[Britannia]

Hah! The whole country knows who starts the fights...

Where's your proof?

 

[Mise]

Also Yom by that statement you have partly proved my point.

So one 2nd generation American Ethiopian saying HE <- read that, HE considers himself more Ethiopian than American means that all British Asians can never ever be British??

I keep expecting sense...

 

[Mise]

Where's your proof?

How about the number of BNP members who have been arrested.

 

[privatehudson]

Where's your proof?

I recall a BBC documentary linking Griffin to violence during one of the riots Not the start of it, but supporting the actions when he met one of those responsible in a pub. Of course this would be the media bias we hear so much about...

 

[Yom]

How is that? The BNP is the party of the British people, those of European descent whether that be Norse, Celt or Anglo Saxon. Or any other European descent for that matter.

No further explanation should have been required, but knowing you, this is not surprising. You said that Englishmen may not be the first to live in Britain, but since they have adopted Britain as their homeland, the Welsh and other peoples indigenous to Britain cannot kick you out. Using the exact same logic, consider the situation of an immigrant to the U.K. who has adopted Britain as his or her home. "Africans may not be the first to live in Britain, but since they have adopted Britain as their homeland, the English and other peoples more indigenous to Britain cannot kick [them] out."

Take a look at the genetic survey done by the BBC, it seems that there is about the same propotion of Anglo Saxon and Norse in the Scottish population as there is in the English.

www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/genetics_results_04.shtml

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Also Yom by that statement you have partly proved my point.

I did not, actually. My situation is an extraordinary one when compared to the vast majority of first generation immigrants to the U.S. If you were to make a study and ask them what they consider their country, then you would see that an overwhelming majority would say the United States.

 

[Babbler]

Again this isn't about whats right this is about whats best for my people. Do you think the Angles and Saxons who invaded in the 5th century just sat by as the vikings invaded in the later centuries because they were immigrants too? Of course not, they fought beacause they had made England their homeland.

Immigration is not invasion. The Viking marauders wanted loot and slaves; the recent immigrants want to, for the most part, build a better life for themselves and their families. They are not compairable.

 

[Yom]

So one 2nd generation American Ethiopian

First generation, actually, my parents came to the U.S. just a few years before I was born because of the Derg. Moreover, both my father and grandfather are Ethiopian patriots who have been intimately involved in politics all of their lives, including when they have lived in the U.S., making me an extraordinary example. If Daniel Glickman, the former Secretary of Agriculture under Clinton, moved to Ethiopia, you wouldn't expect his children to become Ethiopians, would you?

 

[Britannia]

Only under the racist and historically ignorant viewpoint of the BNP I think you'll find.

Obviously this is mine and the BNP's point of view because thats all I can speak for. Also I am not ignorant of the historical events that created our nation, I may not have went to university or college but I have studied this matter intensely and believe I have a good understanding on the matter.

6% of the vote, which given how much a lot of people not active in politics care about the European elections says a lot. UKIP got more than that.

6% is not a bad result, thats in the tens of thousands I think which is tremendous progress from a few hundred. UKIP may have got more than that but they actually got publicity the only publicity we get is these Anti nazi thugs spreading lies against us.
Our members are intimidated and threatened with sacking if their bosses or unions find out so I would say that our 800 000 votes at the Euro elections was very good considering that we had every one against us.

[/QUOTE]Gonna have to do a lot better than that. In the last general election you either didn't bother to stand where I live, or didn't even get 2% of the vote (uncertainty based on the fact that if you stood your figure is less than 800 out of 39,323 since you didn't merit inclusion on a list of candidates). If you didn't bother to stand it probably shows you didn't stand even a remote chance of winning.

We probably wont win any seats this time either but I guarentee you we'll give someone a shock, our aim is the council elections 2 years after the general. If all goes well in that you'll see the first BNP MP in the next general election. Of course we would probably get one now if we had a PR system.

 

[Mise]

Obviously this is mine and the BNP's point of view because thats all I can speak for. Also I am not ignorant of the historical events that created our nation, I may not have went to university or college but I have studied this matter intensely and believe I have a good understanding on the matter.

Your leader denies that the holocaust ever happened. Tell me about history...

 

[Britannia]

I keep expecting sense...

Our policies are based on common sense unlike the naive view of the world you seem to hold.

No further explanation should have been required, but knowing you, this is not surprising. You said that Englishmen may not be the first to live in Britain, but since they have adopted Britain as their homeland, the Welsh and other peoples indigenous to Britain cannot kick you out. Using the exact same logic, consider the situation of an immigrant to the U.K. who has adopted Britain as his or her home. "Africans may not be the first to live in Britain, but since they have adopted Britain as their homeland, the English and other peoples more indigenous to Britain cannot kick [them] out."

You have misunderstood my point, I did not say they had no right to. My view is not based on rights or morality but rather what is best for my people. For my people I mean English, Scottish and Welsh. Now England and Scotland are for the most part made up of the same ancestry, a mixture of celtic, anglo saxon and norse. The Welsh and Cornish are more Celtic. For me all of these ancestries come together to make the British ethnic race which has sub groups of Scotland,England (who are have generally the same mix of Ancient Briton and Anglo Saxon) and also Wales who have more Celtic blood in them.

These are the people that make up the British "race", now a European could emmigrate into Britain and his children would be British because the old British "races" are all European Saxon, Celt etc.

An Afican might say that we have no right to kick him out of the country because we ourselves are immigrants from Europe, but that is stupid and naive. Whether it is moral or not this is the homeland of the British race which is part of the European ethnic group, and it is in the best interests of our people to have a unified country that is racially and culturully unified.

 

[Britannia]

double post.

 

[Britannia]

Your leader denies that the holocaust ever happened. Tell me about history...

Since becoming leader of the BNP he has said publically that the holocaust did happen. I doubt any BNP memebr now holds the belief that the holocaust never happened.

 

[Mise]

Our policies are based on common sense unlike the naive view of the world you seem to hold.

I'm naive?? Hah!

Despite the propagans you've heard from people like ComradeDavo the majority of British people do not dislike us, the liberal elite intellectuals might but the majority do not. Now at the moment the majority dont support us either, the majority supports our general view of immigration but are scared out of voting for us by the establishment media. That is now changing, the liberal media is now having to acknowledge the reasons why white working class people support us and in doing so they are giving us our first bits of positive media. Barring any disastrous decisions the BNP is only going in one direction form now on and that is up.

59,000,000 hate you. The BNP can't sink much lower.

Since becoming leader of the BNP he has said publically that the holocaust did happen. I doubt any BNP memebr now holds the belief that the holocaust never happened.

How naive...

 

[eyrei]

Since becoming leader of the BNP he has said publically that the holocaust did happen. I doubt any BNP memebr now holds the belief that the holocaust never happened.

Quite an accomplishment!

 

[Britannia]

59,000,000 hate you.

People like you hate us, the white working class and lower middle class do not.

I'm naive?? Hah!

Your digging your head in the sand, by the time you take it out a Muslim will be there to chop it off.

 

[Britannia]

Quite an accomplishment!

And yet the co called anti nazis spread the lies that we believe the it never happened.

 

[eyrei]

And yet the co called anti nazis spread the lies that we believe the it never happened.

Even from your own statement it seems there was some doubt among BNP supporters up until recently...

 

[Britannia]

Even from your own statement it seems there was some doubt among BNP supporters up until recently...

Before Griffin took over a decade ago the BNP could be classed as a watered down Neo Nazi group who's leader preached hatred against the Jews, now all those members have left the BNP and regular patriotic folk have took their place.

 

[Mise]

And yet the co called anti nazis spread the lies that we believe the it never happened.

Nick Griffin said it never happened! He wrote a book on it! Christ on a bike! Talk about denying history, you're now denying what happened less than a decade ago!

Here's a BBC link on *that* panorama programme, which outlines Griffin's beliefs, as well as the criminal records of other BNP members and supporters, and their links with Nazi groups.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/the_leader/beliefs.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/membership/organisers/