Leaders that you would not want to have in civ 7 (until you think about it and they are strangely appealing)

Queen Seondeok.

Literally have no meaning in the history, unless she was a queen.
 
Siptah said:
It‘s not villain Italy. It‘s villain Machiavelli. He might as well lead the Mississippians. I‘m all for it.
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Villain Machiavelli would annoy me so much. He is really one of the more misunderstood persons. His „Prince“ was a satire that wasn‘t taken up as such. I think it‘s clear that all his advices aren‘t meant to add to a model of how a ruler righteous should really be.

I do agree though that he makes a great leader for civ 7. They just need to playtest so that his character doesn‘t become too predictable.
 
mitsho said:
Villain Machiavelli would annoy me so much. He is really one of the more misunderstood persons. His „Prince“ was a satire that wasn‘t taken up as such. I think it‘s clear that all his advices aren‘t meant to add to a model of how a ruler righteous should really be.

I do agree though that he makes a great leader for civ 7. They just need to playtest so that his character doesn‘t become too predictable.
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The villainous Italian leader should be the subject of Machiavelli's treatise, not Machiavelli himself. (ie: Cesare Borgia).
 
...Douglas MacArthur as historical leader choice for Japan.
Seriously though, I hate this idea with a burning passion. Just wanted to share it along this other (bad) leader idea...
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La Malinche/Marina/Malintzin as historical leader choice for Aztecs.
I mean, hey, maybe there are some solid reasons to have these in the game. If anyone has them, they are welcome to share.
 
Just to really push the devs in their ability to capture motion and vocal styles: Kate Bush leads England.
 
1. Confucius.
- Liu Bang is a better choice. Since he's the first leader to fully adopted Confucianism as Han Imperial 'Constitution'.
2. Benjamin Franklin
- Gimme either a president of the United States of America, or Oliver Cromwell, or William Pitt the Elder.

I'm okay with Napoleon Bonaparte, but revolutionary persona should be his younger self with long hair. So far there's no 'Ancien Regime' persona yet. well this one is very interesting to me. But historically he began his career as Gunner Sarge rather than Guard Musketeer (he is also a nobleman actually).
 
Leucarum said:
A "Global Divas" DLC?

The cursed monkey paw could earn overtime messing up that one!
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Yma Sumac leads the Inca!

Bjork leads Iceland!
 
RedCourtJester said:
Eartha Kitt as second Inca leader.
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I think she's dead, but Cree Summer can take over the role like she did in the spinoff. (I haven't seen the spinoff, but Cree Summer is great so I can't imagine it was the worst recasting.)
 
Zaarin said:
I think she's dead, but Cree Summer can take over the role like she did in the spinoff. (I haven't seen the spinoff, but Cree Summer is great so I can't imagine it was the worst recasting.)
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She is, unfortunately. Cree Summer could do it. Or Jujubee.
 
TheSpaceCowboy said:
Since leaders are detached from civilizations:
Francis Marion (could unlock America & Britain)
Lafayette (could unlock America & France)
Pulaski (could unlock America & Poland)
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I really like the idea of using Pulaski to bridge an exploration Poland to a modern USA. It bypasses the ugliness of Poland going into Russia and Germany. (Granted a modern Poland-Lithuania also does this).

Also Chicago, where there’s the big annual Pulaski Day parade, is home to more Poles (or maybe just people of Polish descent) than Warsaw.
 
j51 said:
I really like the idea of using Pulaski to bridge an exploration Poland to a modern USA. It bypasses the ugliness of Poland going into Russia and Germany. (Granted a modern Poland-Lithuania also does this).

Also Chicago, where there’s the big annual Pulaski Day parade, is home to more Poles (or maybe just people of Polish descent) than Warsaw.
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Cool idea. Not sure how much a civ game wants to emphasize a Poland-USA path over other paths (Germany-USA? Scotland-USA?), but really cool figure.

Probably still going to lose out to a president though, if VII maintains the series' propensity for easy fanservice leader returns.
 
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Queen Seondeok.

Literally have no meaning in the history, unless she was a queen.
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She paved the way for Korea's unity under Silla later, and I think she was quite accomplished in the sciences and arts. I think she's a worthy leader who was also capably served by able generals.

Zaarin said:
Fair. I think we will see a handful of "leaders without civs" in Civ7. Zenobia and Charlemagne are prime candidates.
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That would be great! I advocated for Zenobia to be added to Civ previously, along with Seondeok and Six Sky (who made it into the game after my suggestions! :D)
 
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