Leaders that you would not want to have in civ 7 (until you think about it and they are strangely appealing)

...Douglas MacArthur as historical leader choice for Japan.
Seriously though, I hate this idea with a burning passion. Just wanted to share it along this other (bad) leader idea...
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La Malinche/Marina/Malintzin as historical leader choice for Aztecs.
I mean, hey, maybe there are some solid reasons to have these in the game. If anyone has them, they are welcome to share.
 
Just to really push the devs in their ability to capture motion and vocal styles: Kate Bush leads England.
 
1. Confucius.
- Liu Bang is a better choice. Since he's the first leader to fully adopted Confucianism as Han Imperial 'Constitution'.
2. Benjamin Franklin
- Gimme either a president of the United States of America, or Oliver Cromwell, or William Pitt the Elder.

I'm okay with Napoleon Bonaparte, but revolutionary persona should be his younger self with long hair. So far there's no 'Ancien Regime' persona yet. well this one is very interesting to me. But historically he began his career as Gunner Sarge rather than Guard Musketeer (he is also a nobleman actually).
 
Leucarum said:
A "Global Divas" DLC?

The cursed monkey paw could earn overtime messing up that one!
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Yma Sumac leads the Inca!

Bjork leads Iceland!
 
RedCourtJester said:
Eartha Kitt as second Inca leader.
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I think she's dead, but Cree Summer can take over the role like she did in the spinoff. (I haven't seen the spinoff, but Cree Summer is great so I can't imagine it was the worst recasting.)
 
Zaarin said:
I think she's dead, but Cree Summer can take over the role like she did in the spinoff. (I haven't seen the spinoff, but Cree Summer is great so I can't imagine it was the worst recasting.)
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She is, unfortunately. Cree Summer could do it. Or Jujubee.
 
TheSpaceCowboy said:
Since leaders are detached from civilizations:
Francis Marion (could unlock America & Britain)
Lafayette (could unlock America & France)
Pulaski (could unlock America & Poland)
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I really like the idea of using Pulaski to bridge an exploration Poland to a modern USA. It bypasses the ugliness of Poland going into Russia and Germany. (Granted a modern Poland-Lithuania also does this).

Also Chicago, where there’s the big annual Pulaski Day parade, is home to more Poles (or maybe just people of Polish descent) than Warsaw.
 
j51 said:
I really like the idea of using Pulaski to bridge an exploration Poland to a modern USA. It bypasses the ugliness of Poland going into Russia and Germany. (Granted a modern Poland-Lithuania also does this).

Also Chicago, where there’s the big annual Pulaski Day parade, is home to more Poles (or maybe just people of Polish descent) than Warsaw.
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Cool idea. Not sure how much a civ game wants to emphasize a Poland-USA path over other paths (Germany-USA? Scotland-USA?), but really cool figure.

Probably still going to lose out to a president though, if VII maintains the series' propensity for easy fanservice leader returns.
 
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gdr_willter said:
Queen Seondeok.

Literally have no meaning in the history, unless she was a queen.
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She paved the way for Korea's unity under Silla later, and I think she was quite accomplished in the sciences and arts. I think she's a worthy leader who was also capably served by able generals.

Zaarin said:
Fair. I think we will see a handful of "leaders without civs" in Civ7. Zenobia and Charlemagne are prime candidates.
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That would be great! I advocated for Zenobia to be added to Civ previously, along with Seondeok and Six Sky (who made it into the game after my suggestions! :D)
 
Morningcalm said:
She paved the way for Korea's unity under Silla later, and I think she was quite accomplished in the sciences and arts. I think she's a worthy leader who was also capably served by able generals.
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She ascended the throne only because of the rigid hierarchy named "Golpum" which even grade the royal blood. She was one of the last few Seonggol class. After the reign of the two Queen Seondeok and Jindeok, there were no more Seonggol class so the throne was turned over to Jingol class males.

During her reign, Silla lost a lot of fortresses at the border and nearly failed to control the internal conflict. Seondeok only cared about the Buddhism and art, while her country was falling. Kim Chunchu and Kim Yusin are who really sustained Silla during her reign, and moreover, Kim Chunchu succeeded the throne after Queen Jindeok died and became one of the most beloved king of the Silla history, King Muyeol, who really paved the way for unification of three kingdoms of Korea.

If we want to focus on the Korea's unity under Silla, who truly suitable for the leader is Kim Chunchu, not Seondeok. Her image and fame were mainly built at modern days especially by the TV drama.
 
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Morningcalm said:
and I think she was quite accomplished in the sciences and arts.
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Maybe for arts, but not for sciences. She falled into the Buddhism to forget the complicated political situation around her and her country, and it eventually lead the result of sponsorship on the Buddhism arts. But there is not a single clue about the scientific achievement in her reign in the record, unless the Civ 6 Seondeok who has science bonus.
 
gdr_willter said:
She ascended the throne only because of the rigid hierarchy named "Golpum" which even grade the royal blood. She was one of the last few Seonggol class. After the reign of the two Queen Seondeok and Jindeok, there were no more Seonggol class so the throne was turned over to Jingol class males.
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Idk but to me that sounds a lot like a European "the king only had daughters so the oldest daughter inherited" with different flavor. We don't agitate against European queens for that reason either, do we?
 
Leyrann said:
Idk but to me that sounds a lot like a European "the king only had daughters so the oldest daughter inherited" with different flavor. We don't agitate against European queens for that reason either, do we?
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Well, if she achieved enough historical result and has meaning and symbolic position. But Seondeok didn't.

More about Golpum system: There were 2 "Gol" and 6 "Dupum" in this system. The royal blood "Gol" includes two classes, "Seonggol" and "Jingol", both were the descendant of the royal families* but they somewhy divided them and only regarded Seonggol as the successors of the throne. There are some hypotheses about the difference. 1) Seonggol means who was born to both Seonggol pareants and Jingol means who was born to Seonggol parent and the other class parent. 2) Seonggol is the direct descendant of King Jinheung, and Jingol is the collateral descendant of him or the descendant of the other royal families. 3) And so on. Eventually Seonggol blood died with Seondeok and Jindeok, so Kim Chunchu who was Jingol succeeded the empty throne based on his achievement and political standing. And Jingol monopolized the most of government posts of Silla including the throne from this moment.

*The ancient Silla was ruled by multiple families, and the royal family of Gaya added to them after Silla subjugate it. The primogeniture of Silla was estabilished belatedly.

The queens as female monarchs are very rare in Korean history. The only three belong to Silla, and two of them are recorded as the last Seonggol monarchs. It means that the era of the queens are exceptional situation only caused by the special historical event: the extinction of Seonggol. But do you think the selection of the leader Seondeok will focus on the replacement of the ruling class of Silla? or just focus on the mythical female leader in aincient Korea who became famous by TV show? The latter is an inappropriate choice just like portraying Xerxes as the weird golden man from 300, and it obstructs the selection of many other suitable Korean leaders.
 
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