Leaders that you would not want to have in civ 7 (until you think about it and they are strangely appealing)

Odysseus 🤔
 
Sigmund Freud
can’t believe this is the second freud to come up
ARWA AL-SULYAHI (Arabia/Yemen)
arwa al-sulyahi is almost too good of a pick to be in this borderline joke thread 😭 she’d be an amazing leader to feature in the game. She was on my civ 6 wishlist, but I forgot to add her while updating my civ 7 one.
Nur Jahan is probably the most powerful woman in Indian history until Indira Gandhi
Rani Lakshmibai?
 
arwa al-sulyahi is almost too good of a pick to be in this borderline joke thread 😭 she’d be an amazing leader to feature in the game. She was on my civ 6 wishlist, but I forgot to add her while updating my civ 7 one.
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Rani Lakshmibai?
Lakshmibai is a good choice for India, but not as powerful as Nur Jahan was at her peak. Definitely an influentual and transformative figure though, which should put her on Firaxis's leader radar.
 
Lakshmibai ruled over a small principality, Nur Jahan was grey eminence for arguably the largest empire in Indian history (though it would reach its peak two rulers later under Aurangzeb)

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Lakshmibai is a good choice for India, but not as powerful as Nur Jahan was at her peak. Definitely an influentual and transformative figure though, which should put her on Firaxis's leader radar.

nah not comparing lakshmibai to nur jahan, more so that she was a powerful woman leader in between but jahan and indira gandhi
 
Ibn Battuta (but as the character from the 13th warrior, which I know is Ibn Fadlan)
Al-Khwarizmi
Simone de Beauvoir (or basically any other feminist!)
Hildegard von Bingen
Rosa Luxemburg (but Marx is cooler, i want Marx)
Evita Perron
Ada Lovelace
Coco Chanel
Jane Austen (and everything is Bridgerton)
Jaqueline Kennedy Onassis
Harriet Tubman (though again, I like Frederick Douglass more)

What I'm saying: please some more female (or non-binary) options (on that note, what about Elagabalus?)! But yes, we need to look for personalities. :)
 
For boomer generation and older ones, Pope John Paul II would be actually kinda amazing Polish leader.

But younger generations, especially below the age of 35, would die laughing (if you know you know)
 
can’t believe this is the second freud to come up
wish I’d remembered to post Freud sooner, but he would be one of the funniest leader choices they could make

(can’t remember the other one I was thinking of… I’d also get a kick out of Proust, but that’s not it…)
 
wish I’d remembered to post Freud sooner, but he would be one of the funniest leader choices they could make

(can’t remember the other one I was thinking of… I’d also get a kick out of Proust, but that’s not it…)
could be some legendary one-liners.

"you seem insecure...did your mom not show you enough love as a child"

"i can't accept a deal from someone who lives in the shadow of their father's "feats""
 
I would love to see Cardinal Richelieu and Joan of Arc for France, though to be fair both of them almost qualified even before civ7 (Joan in particular got into one game).

Other ideas:
- Maria Skłodowska for Poland
- Talleyrand for France
- Metternich for Austria
- James Joyce for Ireland
- Machiavelli for Italy
- Ferdowsi for Iran
- Lesia Ukrainka for Ukraine
- Latin American writers as leaders
- Sun Tzu for China

By the ways, do you guys realize how great potential does this system allow for April Fools DLC of ridiculous leaders?
- Frank Kafka, HP Lovecraft, Emil Cioran, Artur Shopenhauer as "absurdly depressed" squad
- Hong Xiuquan has been already mentioned as ridiculous but also kinda amazing choice for China
- Diogenes for Greece (lamp included)
- Philomena Cunk for Britain
- Rammstein band for Germany
- Weird Al or Leslie Nielsen (😍) for US
- Ronaldo for Brazil (honestly it almost feels legit)
- Shakira for Colombia (😍)
- Dua Lipa for Albania (😍😍)
 
Hong Xiuquan (Jesus) is lowkey.
Go for some colorful warlords instead. You know, folks like Roman von Ungern-Sternberg or Zhang Zongchang and so on.
 
I don’t know, so care to explain why he’s funny?
There was/is an immense cultural pushback by the young against his cult status (which as of the time of his passing was pretty much the norm, he's very much still revered by older people, even some who acknowledge his controversies), starting with troll deep web subcultures and progressing to basically mainstream. Phrases like the "greatest of all the Poles" evolved from genuine affection of the populace towards him towards memes of a "great", ie. gigantic godzilla-like John Paul II walking among buildings. The number with a meaning of the time of his death is a meme too and is noted every time it appears, and there's an extremely well known edited portrait of him with a smug smile and a "yellow mug". He's arguably the biggest meme in Polish internet history, so much so that whenever he appears randomly, he immediately puts a grin on an initiated viewer's face. Then there are some extremely edgy memes, tens of thousands of them (collected by some like postcards, post stamps or coins), made by essentially trolls, associating him with paedophilia, and it's unfortunately linked to one of the genuine problems of the Catholic Church under his leadership. But that's honestly another can of worms, and a serious one this time. Majority of Poles would enjoy him as a leader, although a large part for ironic reasons, however there are some humourless reasons against his inclusion.

Honestly Maria Skłodowska-Curie feels the most like the leader they would pick. And she was very far from a secluded individualist, so it's not bad of a pick at all! :p I'm incredibly invested in what they'll do with us Slavs in this installment, it's captivating - East, West, finally South, it's all uncertain.
 
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