LH Art Discussion and Community Workshop

[Leoreth]

So there's been a lot of discussion and suggestions about leaderhead art recently, and people have offered to take up the work of integrating it into the mod via pull request.

I think that's a very good idea. I often say that I'm open for better leader suggestions but I realize now that I never really offered a platform for doing so. I'm also aware that LH art is kind of low priority for me at the moment, and I consider changing it kind of tedious.

The good side is that changing LH art is easy to do, so I hope I can rely on the community to do that for me. So this thread is about making suggestions, discussion the solutions and for people to pick up desired changes and submit them as a pull request.

I'm going ahead now quoting a couple of posts from the suggestions thread with my feedback.

 

[Leoreth]

Abbas the Great:

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The Art of this Leader is an obvious copy of the Oda (Tokuava) art with only slght changes:
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As a replacement, I propose this Art taken from the Mod Swords of Islam. (Although I am not sure whether you are allowed to take it. As I normaly only use the files locally, this has not been a problem for me yet.)
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An comparision image:
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I recognize that the current Akbar looks like Oda, but I don't really like the suggested replacement. Maybe it's association from other mods but that LH suggests a Mongol/Turkic leader to me.

Barbarossa:

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Barbarossa and Henrigue Alfonso have reskins of the same Leaderhead as Art:
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I propose this Art taken from the Download-segment of the Civfanatics-page:
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Yeah, that LH is clearly preferable and getting rid of the duplicate to Afonso is another plus.

Alfred the Great:

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The Art used for Alfred the Great is very similar to Ragnar they also have the same animations:
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I propose this Art taken form the Downloads-page: He is meat to be William the Conqueror, but I always thoughthe looked more like Alfred the Great:
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As comparision:
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I think the replacement LH is of rather poor quality in terms of texture etc.

Casimir the Great:

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Taken from the Downloads-page, too, this art just looks much better (In my opinion):
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Old version:
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Not fond of the replacement art honestly. It's probably qualitatively better but I don't like that look for Casimir.

Gustavus Adolphus:

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Same reasoning as with Casimir. The art was taken from the download-page:

Old version:
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Agreed, that's a clear improvement.

Hongwu:

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The current Hongwu is jst a reskin of Taizong (who is used in the mod, too):
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This art taken from Historry rewritten seems to fit (Again, I have no idea if you're allowed to use the art. The original verion was part of RFCAsia, I think):
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That LH actually looks more like Hongwu than the current one, Xyth is on point once again.

Yaroslav:

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Just an updated verion of the current art (from the download.page):
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Previous Art:
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I agree that this art is a clear improvement. However, I have also considered outright replacing Yaroslav and using Ivan IV to represent medieval Russia. This would reinforce the continue of Moscow and Russia. There's a great Alexis Romanov LH that could work. In essence that would be a change of both name and graphics (and XML tags because I'm trying to keep things consistent so no one has to clean up behind me again ).

Basil:

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There really is not that much of an improvement, but it's a newer version and looks slightly better (from the download-page):
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Previous version:
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I genuinely cannot tell a difference beyond the colors, can you elaborate a bit?

The Art of Shirivaji (The Indian Leader) is a reskin of Ashoka, but I never found a better replacement.

I also looked for that for quite a while, it's a shame really.

These two leaderheads might also be worth a look:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=23289 as another alternative for Casimir the great and http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=22122 as a new art for Songtsan Gampo (Tibet).

I like this Casimir a lot more than the other one.

For Songtsen Gampo I think I prefer the current art. Might change if that leader becomes more appropriate for something else added later in the game.

Also, I have my own suggestion (in a more constructive way than last time).
From the same documentary by the Smithsonian, is Suryavarman II shown historically accurate, as a warrior king.

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I propose that Firaxis' version be used instead for a later king, the last king of the Khmer Empire, Ponhea Yat. Also, if not already try using this reskin I found somewhere.

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Do not mind the background, that's for a project of mine, it should be replaced should the mod use the LH.
I also propose using my Suryavarman II LH instead, which is more fitting and actually does the king some honor, representing him as an intimidating and divine figure (with Angkor Wat in the background, like it originally looked like). I also "upgraded" my Suryavarman LH, which now displays almost no animation glitches.

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What does everyone think?

I like the LH, but in general I am very reluctant to completely replace vanilla leader models (the exceptions being melcher's phenomenal Isabela and Catherine). I also don't think the Khmer's time in the game justifies two leaders.

However, what do you think about using the leader art for Naresuan instead? I think the current art is also rather weak and it would make for a good replacement there. Your background still looks great though, and should probably be used for Suryavarman in any case.

Unfortunately we do not have any historical record about the appearance of both these leaders so we cannot base the decision on that.


Overall summary:

In favor: Barbarossa, Casimir (second suggestion), Gustavus Adolphus, Hongwu
Undecided: Basil
Leaning against: Abbas, Songtsen Gampo
Against: Alfred

Special cases: Yaroslav/Ivan, Suryavarman/Naresuan depending on how these decisions play out.

Everything open for discussion of course, everyone can weigh in with their opinion here. But as far as I'm concerned you can go ahead with pull requests for the "in favor" row and they will be merged.

 

[Leoreth]

Some other ideas I had at the back of my head but never got around to implement:
- using this Ramkhamhaeng as Naresuan instead (again, open for discussion vis a vis the possibility from the other thread).
- adding Benazir Bhutto as an additional Mughal leader for the modern era. This requires actual LH XML and a leader switch in the DynamicCivs.py code.

 

[Bautos42]

I recognize that the current Akbar looks like Oda, but I don't really like the suggested replacement. Maybe it's association from other mods but that LH suggests a Mongol/Turkic leader to me.

I thought him quite fitting, considering the image of Abbas I posted and he newer seemed to look particullary Mongolic/Turkic, but ultimately it's a matter of taste and you're the one deciding in the end. (It would be great if you evaluated him once more) I'll look again for another replacemet, and if I don't find one, I'll just use this Art for Abbas lokally.

Yeah, that LH is clearly preferable and getting rid of the duplicate to Afonso is another plus.

Great.

I think the replacement LH is of rather poor quality in terms of texture etc.

Well, i guess you're right. I kinda like him, but I can fully understand why you would not like him. Again, as with Abbas, I'll keep looking.

Not fond of the replacement art honestly. It's probably qualitatively better but I don't like that look for Casimir.

I like this Casimir a lot more than the other one.

I'd also tend to prefer the second one, so good choice.

Agreed, that's a clear improvement.

That LH actually looks more like Hongwu than the current one, Xyth is on point once again.

Great.

I agree that this art is a clear improvement. However, I have also considered outright replacing Yaroslav and using Ivan IV to represent medieval Russia. This would reinforce the continue of Moscow and Russia. There's a great Alexis Romanov LH that could work. In essence that would be a change of both name and graphics (and XML tags because I'm trying to keep things consistent so no one has to clean up behind me again ).

Well, both Leaderheads look great.
You could also use Ivan the Terrible as early Russian Leader:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=23288

I genuinely cannot tell a difference beyond the colors, can you elaborate a bit?

I'm not sure. He just seemed a litle more polished to me (I might be imagining things) and I think the purpel is better fitting.
There's also this one:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=12575

I also looked for that for quite a while, it's a shame really.

I found this one, but he never fully convinced me either:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=14136

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For Songtsen Gampo I think I prefer the current art. Might change if that leader becomes more appropriate for something else added later in the game.

I did not actually prefer this version, I just thought he seems equally fitting and polished and might therefore be worth a look.

Everything open for discussion of course, everyone can weigh in with their opinion here. But as far as I'm concerned you can go ahead with pull requests for the "in favor" row and they will be merged.

I'll stil wait with the pull request a litlle bit until the discussion has advanced a little more.
On the matter of new Leaders:
Moussolini:
Hitler and Franco are already in the mod, so why not Moussolini?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9243

Seyong of Korea:
Using old Hongwu-Art. Korea really could us a second Leader. (I've also got aiKim-Jong Il Leaderhead somewhere, if you're interested.)

Franz-Josef:
Austtria/HRE does not have an Modern Leader jet and the Art is quite good.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11067

MacDonald for Canada:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=24671

Getoullio as a second Leader for Brasil:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/14d20297c5741097e65aba6511bcae01_G4Y.png

Ibn Saud as a Modern Arabian Leader and maybe Constantin the Great for Byzantium, although he might be superfluous:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=277514
I could not find the download pages, but I should have both on my computer.

Ho Chi Mi or Pol Pot as a modern Khmer Leader? I should have fitting Art for them on my PC somewhere.

Some other Civilizations could use modern/industrial leaders: Inca, Kongo, Mali, etc.
I don't have good ides for them, though.

Again, I could implement them, I've done it often enough. The Leader-Changes should not be a problem either. But I'm not sure about wich Leader-personalities to use for them and I don't have enough experience to write new ones.

 

[Bautos42]

As Spain has no medieval Leaderhead, one could use this one from RFCEurope (Ferdinand III of Castille):

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Fo Abbas, one could also use the one from Historry Rewritten (Wich really has the best fitting Leaders ):

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As a very Similar Leader is currently used for Yaqub Al Mansur, here are some great alternatives for him:

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I personaly really like the first one for a Marrocan leader.

 

[Bautos42]

However, what do you think about using the leader art for Naresuan instead? I think the current art is also rather weak and it would make for a good replacement there. Your background still looks great though, and should probably be used for Suryavarman in any case.

Unfortunately we do not have any historical record about the appearance of both these leaders so we cannot base the decision on that.

There's also seasnake's Ramkhamhaeng, on wich civciv5 Leaderhead is probably based (as he gives credits to seasnake on the download page):
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=15152

Personally, I don't see the problem with the current Naresuan art, although the background looks somehow wierd and could be changed.

 

[Bautos42]

Actually, the LeaderHead I proposed for Spain might work as new Art for Alfred of England.

 

[Leoreth]

You could also use Ivan the Terrible as early Russian Leader:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=23288

Ivan IV is Ivan the Terrible, I just prefer the Alexis art.

I'm not sure. He just seemed a litle more polished to me (I might be imagining things) and I think the purpel is better fitting.
There's also this one:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=12575

I prefer either version of the current Basil here.

On the matter of new Leaders:
Moussolini:
Hitler and Franco are already in the mod, so why not Moussolini?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9243

Agreed.

Seyong of Korea:
Using old Hongwu-Art. Korea really could us a second Leader. (I've also got aiKim-Jong Il Leaderhead somewhere, if you're interested.)

Yes to Sejong.

Franz-Josef:
Austtria/HRE does not have an Modern Leader jet and the Art is quite good.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11067

I think the HRE is well represented with its current three leaders though.

MacDonald for Canada:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=24671

They really need a second (first) leader, yes.

Getoullio as a second Leader for Brasil:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/14d20297c5741097e65aba6511bcae01_G4Y.png

A modern Brazilian leader is a good idea.

Ibn Saud as a Modern Arabian Leader and maybe Constantin the Great for Byzantium, although he might be superfluous:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=277514
I could not find the download pages, but I should have both on my computer.

The Saud LH does not look that good, and I agree that Constantine is superfluous.

Ho Chi Mi or Pol Pot as a modern Khmer Leader? I should have fitting Art for them on my PC somewhere.

The Khmer respawn is a bit inconsistent, so I'd rather have a better idea what it represents before adding leaders.

Again, I could implement them, I've done it often enough. The Leader-Changes should not be a problem either. But I'm not sure about wich Leader-personalities to use for them and I don't have enough experience to write new ones.

Most of the new leaders in DoC have personalities copied from existing ones.

As Spain has no medieval Leaderhead, one could use this one from RFCEurope (Ferdinand III of Castille):

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I consider Isabela Spain's medieval leader.

Fo Abbas, one could also use the one from Historry Rewritten (Wich really has the best fitting Leaders ):

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As a very Similar Leader is currently used for Yaqub Al Mansur, here are some great alternatives for him:

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I personaly really like the first one for a Marrocan leader.

I'd rather hold off on using that Kanishka, but I like the other one as a Rahman replacement.

There's also seasnake's Ramkhamhaeng, on wich civciv5 Leaderhead is probably based (as he gives credits to seasnake on the download page):
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=15152

Personally, I don't see the problem with the current Naresuan art, although the background looks somehow wierd and could be changed.

civciv5's LH is a clear improvement on that on though.

 

[Bautos42]

Ivan IV is Ivan the Terrible, I just prefer the Alexis art.

Sorry, my fault. I misread that. I thought you wanted to actually add Alexis as a Russian Leader.

I think the HRE is well represented with its current three leaders though.

In my opinion, Francis I does not really fit in the modern era, Franz Josef just looks more modern. But it is true that other civilizations are in more dire need of more modern looking leaders. (Especially Inca, I'm sick of seeing Peru in the 19th century with Huaya Capac as a Leader.

The Saud LH does not look that good

With the core change of Arabia to Iraq, what would a respawned Arabia actually represent? Saudi Arabia or Iraq?

Most of the new leaders in DoC have personalities copied from existing ones.

I'm aware of that. I'm just not sure wich personalities would be fitting for wich Leaders. For Mussolini, one should probably take either the personality of Hitler or Franco.

civciv5's LH is a clear improvement on that on though.

You've a point.

 

[Leoreth]

With the core change of Arabia to Iraq, what would a respawned Arabia actually represent? Saudi Arabia or Iraq?

Saudi Arabia. The core just needs to revert for that again.

 

[Bautos42]

I finally managed to make a pull request concerning the Art of Casimir III, Barbarossa, Honqwu and Gustav Adolf.

I've also already implemented Mussolini with the Personality of Hitler and the DiloMusic of Cavour. I'm not certain wether he should have Chatolicism as a preferred religion and Totalitism or Autocracy as a prefered Civic.
Does anyone have Suggestios for Personality, Civics and Religions for the other soon to be added Leaders (Getoulio, MacDonald and Sejong)?

I peronally would like the change from Jaroslawl to Ivan IV, so i'll just await the responses of everyone else.

Furthermore, shall I change the Art of Rahman to this as Leoreth suggested:

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Some further thoughts:
Inca and greece could both really use another Leader, as both mihgt resawn in the modern Era and their Leaders really don't fit the modern era.
For Inca: Does anyone have a suggestion for a good Peruvian/Bolivian leader (Just a name suffices, I can search for appropiate art).
For Greece: There's a modern Greece modmod using George I. Maybe he could be used? Another more or less fitting Art for Gerorge I might be this.

The Netherlands could also use antoher Leader:
How about Johann de Witt:

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Should he be to close to Wilhelm, there's also Whilhelmina:

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One could also use this LH, but it's not very fitting

Finally, both Poland and Vikings lack a modern Leader. How about Einar Gerhardsen for Vikings

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and Pilsudski or Lech Walesa for Poland.
Lech Walesa:

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[Civciv5]

I greatly support Songtsen Gampo to be replaced with the more recent one, as he looks really accurate (only the BG would need to be changed to the Potala Palace).

I like the LH, but in general I am very reluctant to completely replace vanilla leader models (the exceptions being melcher's phenomenal Isabela and Catherine). I also don't think the Khmer's time in the game justifies two leaders.

However, what do you think about using the leader art for Naresuan instead? I think the current art is also rather weak and it would make for a good replacement there. Your background still looks great though, and should probably be used for Suryavarman in any case.

Unfortunately we do not have any historical record about the appearance of both these leaders so we cannot base the decision on that.

Well, we do have one historical source for how Suryavarman II looked like.

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It's a bas-relief showing him with little clothing: a crown, two sashes, bracelets and a necklace-thingy. The Khmer did not start dressing fully until Angkor fell to the Kingdom of Ayutthaya. Suryavarman's original LH clearly represents some late Khmer king, not during the Imperial era of Angkor. Also, another documentary depicts Suryavarman in a very similar way.
(Ancient Megastructures)
Both seem to be based on the bas-relief.


I really appreciate your willingness to use Suryavarman as Naresuan but it would be very out of place. The early Thai kings dressed like Suryavarman, but Naresuan dressed very "civilized".

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My own Naresuan LH isn't so magnificent, to the point I actually refuse to use him in my own mod.
So how about replacing Naresuan with Suriyothai (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=17799)? She is well known in Thailand as "warrior queen". Or perhaps with Ramkhamhaeng himself? (would need to move Thailand's spawn to early 1200s)

Also how about upon Thailand's spawn, the Khmer become Burma? At one point, Burma conquered most of Southeast Asia under King Bayinnaung. There is a LH of him in the database too. They could also be vassalized by the British Empire.

I also propose replacing George Washington with an updated version (not made by me).

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Also (sorry for the randomness): If Rome spawns on its legendary fouding date, why doesn't Japan do?

 

[Leoreth]

I finally managed to make a pull request concerning the Art of Casimir III, Barbarossa, Honqwu and Gustav Adolf.

And it's merged now! Let's carry on with the discussion

Inca and greece could both really use another Leader, as both mihgt resawn in the modern Era and their Leaders really don't fit the modern era.
For Inca: Does anyone have a suggestion for a good Peruvian/Bolivian leader (Just a name suffices, I can search for appropiate art).
For Greece: There's a modern Greece modmod using George I. Maybe he could be used? Another more or less fitting Art for Gerorge I might be this.

Inca: San Martin works just as well as a Peruvian leader as for Argentina, however I would prefer to keep him where he is because modern Argentina is a proper civ on its own, not just a continuation of another civ.

Greece: I don't think the Pilsudski LH is fitting for George, and the other LH is rather low quality and very similar to its existing counterpart art.

The Netherlands could also use antoher Leader:
How about Johann de Witt:

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Should he be to close to Wilhelm, there's also Whilhelmina:

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One could also use this LH, but it's not very fitting

De Witt is too close in time to Willem of Oranje. The Wilhelmina art is too close in appearance to Elizabeth to be used imo. Also the similar names are kind of unfortunate.

Actually the Dutch leader that is most appropriate for a later time period is probably William III, but we have the same name problem and no art that I am aware of.

Finally, both Poland and Vikings lack a modern Leader. How about Einar Gerhardsen for Vikings

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and Pilsudski or Lech Walesa for Poland.
Lech Walesa:

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Einar Gerhardsen: good idea.

Poland: Walesa as a modern LH and Pilsudski as an autocratic alternative seems good.

I really appreciate your willingness to use Suryavarman as Naresuan but it would be very out of place. The early Thai kings dressed like Suryavarman, but Naresuan dressed very "civilized".

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My own Naresuan LH isn't so magnificent, to the point I actually refuse to use him in my own mod.
So how about replacing Naresuan with Suriyothai (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=17799)? She is well known in Thailand as "warrior queen". Or perhaps with Ramkhamhaeng himself? (would need to move Thailand's spawn to early 1200s)

The space contention with the Khmer makes it impossible to have the Thais spawn earlier, so Ramkhamhaeng is out for that reason. And Naresuan is clearly the best choice to represent the Ayutthaya period.

I also propose replacing George Washington with an updated version (not made by me).

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I'm not convinced that this is actually an improvement.

Also (sorry for the randomness): If Rome spawns on its legendary fouding date, why doesn't Japan do?

Desired game experience, scope of the goals, and the time required to carry them out as well as the challenge that derives from that.

 

[Bautos42]

Inca: San Martin works just as well as a Peruvian leader as for Argentina, however I would prefer to keep him where he is because modern Argentina is a proper civ on its own, not just a continuation of another civ.

Ramón Castilla would make a great Leader for Peru, but there is no Art for him. Nonetheless, maybe this Art of O'Higgins could be used. Maybe someone skilled at moddifing LeaderHeads (like civciv5 ) would be willing to make some ajustments to the O'Higgins LH (like giving him a beard), so he looks more like Ramón Castilla. Unfortunatelly, I myself can't change him (I can just propose what otherrs created ). This Art could be used for a modern day Peruvian leader, but I don't know of any one who would actually fit the Art.

Greece: I don't think the Pilsudski LH is fitting for George, and the other LH is rather low quality and very similar to its existing counterpart art.

Pilsudski isn't fitting for George, I just posted the wrong link. I actually wanted to use this LH as George I:

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Actually the Dutch leader that is most appropriate for a later time period is probably William III, but we have the same name problem and no art that I am aware of.

I guess you're talking obout this William III. Napoleon III looks similar to him and might work when using another background. Robert E lee could work as an elderly William III.

Lastly, this LH could be used for Alfred the Great. He has a high quality and is actually more fitting than both the current one and the one I suggested earlier:

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[Civciv5]

So Leoreth, did you read my long explanation why Suryavarman's inaccurate depiction would be much better if replaced by my version? Because it's clear that Suryavarman was not some weird looking old frail man. The depiction itself has infuriated me since BtS's very announcement and shows the developers clearly did not depict Suryavarman historically accurate.
And how about my suggestion about Burma?

 

[Leoreth]

Ramón Castilla would make a great Leader for Peru, but there is no Art for him. Nonetheless, maybe this Art of O'Higgins could be used. Maybe someone skilled at moddifing LeaderHeads (like civciv5 ) would be willing to make some ajustments to the O'Higgins LH (like giving him a beard), so he looks more like Ramón Castilla. Unfortunatelly, I myself can't change him (I can just propose what otherrs created ). This Art could be used for a modern day Peruvian leader, but I don't know of any one who would actually fit the Art.

Pilsudski isn't fitting for George, I just posted the wrong link. I actually wanted to use this LH as George I:

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Interesting, I think both suggestions could work.

I guess you're talking obout this William III. Napoleon III looks similar to him and might work when using another background. Robert E lee could work as an elderly William III.

Sorry, I meant William III of England (and Orange), the one from the Glorious Revolution.

 

[cudfather]

Would there be a simple way to edit the textures of the LHs? Because that eagle on Casimir's cloak needs to go. It's the modern Polish emblem, not from the 14th century.


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[Leoreth]

Textures are DDS files, so if you can edit BMPs you can edit textures.

 

[Leoreth]

Bautos, I think we won't hear much dissent here anymore, so you can go ahead for the LHs we are agreed on if you want.

 

[Bautos42]

Well, it is a pitty there doss not seem to be a high interest in new leaders.

Here is what I have come up with so far:

Mussolini:

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Civ: Italy
Personality:Hitler
Favorite Civic:Totelitism
Favorite Religion:Catholicism
Music:Cavour
Spawn Conditon:Italy is facist

Sejong:

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Civ: Korea
Personality:?
Favorite Civic:?
Favorite Religion:Confuciaism
Music:Hongwu
Spawn Conditon:Korea enters renaissance

Lech Walesa:

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Civ: Poland
Personality: Ghandi?
Favorite Civic: Universal Suffrage
Favorite Religion: Catholicism
Music: Sobieski
Spawn Conditon: Poland enters modern era

Pilduski:

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Civ: Poland
Personality:?
Favorite Civic: Autocracy
Favorite Religion: Catholicism
Music: Sobieski
Spawn Conditon: Poland runs autocracy?

Gerhardsen:

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Civ: Vikings
Personality: ?
Favorite Civic: ?
Favorite Religionrotestant
Music: Ragnar
Spawn Conditon: Vikings enter modern era

Getulio:

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Civ: Brasil
Personality: ?
Favorite Civic: ?
Favorite Religion: Catolicism
Music: Dom Pedro
Spawn Conditon: Brasil in modern era

MacDonald:

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Civ: Canada
Personality: ?
Favorite Civic: ?
Favorite Religion: Protestant
Music: Trudeau
Spawn Conditon:From Start, Trudeau only after Canada enters the modern era

I'll do some reading in order to fill the gaps.

Some questions:
1. I'm actually not sure wether you agreed on the Inclusion of George I for Greece and Ramon Castilla for Inca.
2. Should I also inplement Benazir Bhutto for Mughals and Ivan the Terrible for Russia (Instead of Yaroslawl). I really like both ideas.

Some Art related things:
Did you, Leoreth, decide wich version of Basil you prefer?

Furthermore, do you like these Art suggestions:

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as Alfred the Great and

as Abd-ar-Rahman

Finally, wich Python-file do I have to change for the Leaders to spawn at the correct time?