Lib Dems set conditions for potential coalition

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To follow up my previous thread about a potentaial Lib Dem - Labour coalition...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6416621.stm

Sir Menzies sets tests for Brown

Lib Dem leader Sir Menzies Campbell has paved the way for a potential deal with Labour as he set out five "tests" for a Gordon Brown-led government.
And in an apparent shift, proportional representation for general elections was not included in the list.

There has been speculation the Lib Dems will seek a coalition in the event of a hung parliament.

And a senior party official suggested the sticking point of electoral reform was no longer a top priority.

He said it was "not a deal maker or a deal breaker" in any negotiations to form a government, should no single party hold an overall majority.

"We don't say 'don't pick up the phone unless the single transferable vote is offered for Westminster'," he told reporters.

He said Sir Menzies would take a more "flexible approach" to proportional representation than his predecessors and it was no longer the Lib Dems' top priority when it came to co-operating with other parties.

But in a sign of disagreement within Sir Menzies' inner circle over the party's position, his chief of staff Ed Davey told BBC News 24 he "did not recognise" the source of the story, adding "I briefed the leader's speech and I didn't say that".

'Courage'

Opinion polls point strongly towards a hung parliament at the next election, with the Liberal Democrats potentially holding the balance of power.

In his closing speech, to his party's spring conference in Harrogate, Sir Menzies sent a direct message to Gordon Brown, the man expected to take over from Tony Blair as the next prime minister.

He challenged Mr Brown to have the "courage" to embrace liberal democratic values, and to prove he could change direction.

"Why should we believe that Britain will be better governed if he moves from No 11 Downing Street to No 10? Why should we believe that more of the same is what Britain needs?"

'Five tests'

Sir Menzies went on: "Britain needs a government that is prepared to reduce inequality and provide quality public services throughout the whole of Britain.

"To uphold the rule of law and to preserve our traditional freedoms, to take on the challenge of climate change and to restore Britain's international reputation.

"The question is - can Gordon Brown meet that challenge? Does he have the courage to take Britain in a new direction?"

He announced that he had devised five tests for the Chancellor.

He called on Mr Brown to "end Labour's authoritarian attack on civil liberties" by scrapping ID cards.

He urged Mr Brown to "grasp the challenge posed by climate change," and, thirdly, "break open the poverty trap".

His fourth test was to "trust the people" by devolving power to local people and the fifth was that "Britain's foreign policy should not be set in Washington".

If Mr Brown met these tests, "he will have changed direction and embraced liberal democracy," Sir Menzies told delegates.

He also stressed the party's commitment to electoral reform, saying the party's "ambition" was to have a "government elected by a system where every vote counts".

'Teenage kicks'

Sir Menzies, who received a four-minute standing ovation from delegates following his speech at the party's spring conference, coupled his call to Mr Brown with a scathing attack on Conservative leader David Cameron.

The Lib Dem leader, who has faced questions about his own age and whether, at 65 he is too old to lead his party, began by mocking recent revelations about Mr Cameron's youth.

"Come on Dave, it's time to come clean. Admit your guilty secret.

"In your youth you were a Tory Boy and your heroes were Michael Howard, Norman Lamont and John Selwyn Gummer.

"With pin-ups like that, frankly, I'd want to keep my past private too."

The Lib Dems have used their spring conference to move on to traditional Conservative territory on crime and taxation.

Sir Menzies accused Mr Cameron of "ducking and weaving" and questioned his judgement on his decision to support the Iraq war.

"Teenage kicks are one thing, but you've got to grow up sometime," he said.
I still think STV should be a condition though. But i'd be willing to accept less than that if ID cards were scrapped..

Glad to see him making moves to deal with Brown whilst laying into Cameron:goodjob:
 
The Independants report on the story...

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article2328825.ece
Campbell drops Lib Dems' insistence on electoral reform
By Ben Russell, Political Correspondent
Published: 05 March 2007
Sir Menzies Campbell yesterday laid down his five key tests for a possible future pact with Gordon Brown as he gave his clearest indication yet that he would enter talks with Labour in the event of a hung Parliament.

But the party was in a state of confusion over its commitment to proportional representation as a vital part of any pact after a senior official said that voting reform would not be a "deal breaker" in any negotiations with a Labour government.

Sir Menzies told activists at the Liberal Democrats' spring conference yesterday that the party's "ambition" remained to create "a government elected by a system where every vote counts". But his "five tests" for a Gordon Brown premiership did not include electoral reform. Instead, they covered scrapping ID cards; tackling climate change; combating poverty; devolving power to local communities; and distancing foreign policy from Washington.

A senior party figure said moving to proportional representation "is not a deal maker or a deal breaker", acknowledging that the party had shifted its tactics away from electoral reform being a prerequisite for any deal in a hung parliament.

Another senior source insisted that the party had not dropped its historic desire for voting reform. But he said: "We don't say we won't pick up the telephone unless we have a single transferable vote for Westminster. If Brown is proposing 30 things we strongly agree with, we are going to support them."

However, Sir Menzies' aides furiously denied that he had dropped his insistence on proportional representation, arguing that electoral reform was still a hugely significant issue for the party.

They refused to discuss entering a formal coalition with Mr Brown, but indicated that they could co- operate with Labour in the event of a hung parliament.

Sir Menzies strongly indicated that he would not contemplate an electoral pact with the Conservatives and launched a personal attack on the party's leader, David Cameron.

Aides said the tests represented "indicators of values" that would determine whether the Liberal Democrats would work with a future Labour administration.

In his speech, Sir Menzies repeatedly made it clear that he wanted the party to have a role in government, insisting that Liberal Democrats "are not a pressure group, we are a party of influence and power".

He told delegates: "I tell you this now. I'm not content to lead a party whose sole purpose is opposition. Our clear direction must be government."

Outlining his tests for Mr Brown, Sir Menzies declared: "Britain needs a government that is prepared to reduce inequality. Britain needs a government that will uphold the rule of law.

"Britain needs a government that will preserve our traditional freedoms. Britain needs a government that will take on the challenge of climate change. And Britain needs a government that will restore our international reputation.

"The question is - can Gordon Brown meet that challenge? Does he have the courage to take Britain in a new direction? Is he the man to create the liberal and democratic Britain that we need?"

He added: "These are the five tests for Mr Brown if he is going to make the change of direction that Britain needs. And if he meets these five tests, he will have changed direction. He will have changed direction, and embraced liberal democracy."

Sir Menzies took a personal swipe at Mr Cameron, arguing: "Are the Conservatives up to this same challenge? Of course not." He said: "It's not your youthful indiscretions that worry me - it's your adult misjudgements. Teenage kicks are one thing, but you've got to grow up some time. It's time you admitted your mistakes, particularly your support for the Iraq war''
Sounds like Campbell still wants reform but is willing to let it pass for the time being if he can get movement on other issues.
 
I bet there's be lots of room for compromise should it come to it. For the LD, the chance their own policies enactedand be part of the ruling system would be a huge step forward. Labour (or Conservative) would sooner be in opposition than bring in PR as it simply would not benefit them, so it is wise to exclude that or the pact would never happen.
 
At least based on the Guardian's report, he appears to have kicked any Lib-Con coalition (so desired by dear MT) into touch.

I think dropping the electoral reform bit as a precondition to coalition is a smart move - it made the Lib Dems come over as very selfish, as the most important policy to them wasn't about civil liberties, human rights, economics or military stances taken, but whether they'd get to keep playing power broker time after time.
 
It'll depend a lot on how much of a majority the coalition would bring. I would expect that a big or little majority would mean the LD getting less than a medium sized one.
 
It'll depend a lot on how much of a majority the coalition would bring. I would expect that a big or little majority would mean the LD getting less than a medium sized one.

True. The size of the price depends on the size of the deal.
 
At least based on the Guardian's report, he appears to have kicked any Lib-Con coalition (so desired by dear MT) into touch.

Did I say that? I must have been teasing the Tory hating Lib Demmers amongst us. :mischief:

It is of course a good idea to ditch the PR requirements because we all know the LDs won’t get a coalition agreement with it. And it would be a good idea if a GE was coming up soon but I just wonder about the timing of the announcement.
Why do it now when Brown hasn’t even parked his bum in No10. And, by all accounts there won’t even be a quick honeymoon GE called by Brown. There could well be 2 to 3 years of ups and downs before the next election, depending upon what the polls say and what the economic outlook is.

I wonder if Ming said it all now because of the pressures on him to perform better and he was pushed into revealing his hand too early?
 
I wonder if Ming said it all now because of the pressures on him to perform better and he was pushed into revealing his hand too early?

Hmm. Good point. It does look suspiciously like an attempt to lead the Lib Dems (and, more importantly, being seen as leading them), which he frankly hasn't done much of so far.
 
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