LK26 - World Map

[LKendter]

Well I thought of another item for the debate -

What traits are the Australians?
Expansionist would be cruel and worthless.


At some point I will post a picture of Australia - we need to agree on our starting zone.


Well one the Civ to steal - I notice the following always do good -
Iroquois, America, Aztec, Zulu, Egypt, China, India. Russia at least expands well.

I don't want to steal Japan, as this would make China stronger.

What I see available -
England tends to be a joke.
Babylon usually becomes a Persia empire.
Greece / Rome / France / Germany - well none of these are that strong.
These 6 are the reasonable targets to steal.

 

[meldor]

The ANZAC would be a nice one as it would allow us to trigger our golden age at a good time. That may be worth more than the +1 or even the bonus movement. Maybe the bonus movement could be scaled back to treat all terrain as grass/plains. This would be powerful enough.

 

[ChrTh]

Originally posted by LKendter
Well I thought of another item for the debate -

What traits are the Australians?
Expansionist would be cruel and worthless.

On the contrary: I think we *should* be expansionist and commercial. Why? Quickest to Map Making. (Map Making prereqs are Pottery and Alphabet>Writing). In addition, yeah, our scouts will be useless on the island itself--although hopefully there will be a goody hut or 4 to pop on the huge map. But once we get Map Making (head straight for it) and dump the Scouts on Asia, well, we should be good to go (unless Russia has already explored everything).

 

[LKendter]

@ChrTh -
Good point - quickest to map making could be important.
Alphabet is very important also - A start toward libraries will be very important, not to mention the GL.

I suspect by the time we get to Asia, there will not be much left to scout.

 

[ChrTh]

Originally posted by LKendter
@ChrTh -
Good point - quickest to map making could be important.
Alphabet is very important also - A start toward libraries will be very important, not to mention the GL.

I suspect by the time we get to Asia, there will not be much left to scout.

I'm often surprised on how much the AI doesn't know how to Scout...frequently I'll find goody huts three squares away from Russia's or America's borders. In addition, the ability to quickly make contact with all the Civs will help us tech-wise (we won't have to trade for Contact from the Indians/Chinese).

So my vote is Exp/Com.

I think our UU should be a variation of the galley: basically a galley with the benefits of the Great Lighthouse built in (extra movement point, won't flounder in sea squares).

 

[LKendter]

OK - I want to get this one out of the design stage. The first decision that is required is the CIV to removed.

I need ALL players to list in order the country they feel should be removed to create the Australians with 1 being the highest choice.

1 - Rome
2 - Babylon
3 - England
4 - Germany
5 - France
6 - Greece

The other 10 will NOT be considered.

 

[meldor]

1 - England
2- Babylon
3 - France
4 - Rome
5 - Greece
6 - Germany

Don't forget all of the goodie hut on the small islands in the pacific. There were even some un-poppped at the end of LK24.

 

[ChrTh]

1 - England
2 - Germany
3 - Rome
4 - Babylon
5 - Greece
6 - France
I Joan

 

[LKendter]

@Meldor - good point on the huts on the islands. Huts in Tasmania, New Zealand and most of the Pacific islands should be ours.

Please confirm expansionist and commercial for the good point ChrTh made about Map Making. (Map Making prereqs are Pottery and Alphabet>Writing).

It looks like we are leaning toward England, which is E&C if I remember correctly

@Jersey Joe / Dark Sheer - please comment on both of the above issues. I want to get this game to the point of starting.

 

[Jersey Joe]

1 - France
2 - England
3 - Rome
4 - Babylon (playing them in LK25 so downgraded)
5 - Germany (they just finished dominating the world so downgraded)
6 - Greece

by LKendter
Please confirm expansionist and commercial for the good point ChrTh made about Map Making. (Map Making prereqs are Pottery and Alphabet>Writing).

English are E & C and they do get Aphabet & Pottery (based on civstats spreadsheet)

 

[D9phoenix]

Do you have any more open spots ? if you do i would like to join up

 

[meldor]

I would go with the E&C. I agree that we will be behind the eightball if we can't get to Map Making ASAP. We should own all of the islands. Thos may be our most productive cities until FP. I would suggest that our starting point be upper middle of Australia if it is the same map as LK24.

 

[LKendter]

The following has been decided - we are expansionist and commercial.

When I get home tonight, I will start working on the mod


@D9phoenix - welcome aboard - you are the FINAL player. This game is locked, and not accepting any more players. 6 players will already cause it to be long between player turns. Please vote on the country to remove, see above post, the expansionist / commercial question is CLOSED. Please vote shortly, as I will start working on the changes in the next couple of hours.

NOTE: There are still decisions to be made, and I will detail them tonight. However, the ball is rolling to actually playing a turn.

I am already thinking for next game - play as Brazil

 

[ChrTh]

Originally posted by LKendter
I am already thinking for next game - play as Brazil

You did promise DK27 would also start this week...

 

[LKendter]

@ChrTh -
[homer voice] DOH! [/homer voice]
Do you mean LK27. My wife (D) doesn't play the game, and just recently starting using a hotmail account.

I won't start 2 world map games at the SAME time. My Brazil comment was for the next world map game

ChrTh, I think you need a life. One minute after my post, and you answer already

 

[ChrTh]

Originally posted by LKendter
@ChrTh -
[homer voice] DOH! [/homer voice]
Do you mean LK27. My wife (D) doesn't play the game, and just recently starting using a hotmail account.

I won't start 2 world map games at the SAME time. My Brazil comment was for the next world map game

ChrTh, I think you need a life. One minute after my post, and you answer already

I have a life. I just have a job that bores me half the time
I'm waiting for my turn to come up. I'm in 7 games and I'm not even On Deck in any of them! (Which is why I keep checking the page, I keep hoping a game will come up for me )

I actually meant DKNY. It's weird how my mind breaks these things up.

 

[LKendter]

Originally posted by ChrTh
I just have a job that bores me half the time.

NOW that is a comment I can appreciate. My last 2 jobs, I would not have had the time to browse these boards.

This one, I have plenty of time. I spend more time on paperwork and cya - then on are real work

 

[LKendter]

OK, I have started working on the game.
The ENGLISH have been removed.

I have made us Australia the following -
Asian Culture group.
Expansionist / Commercial
The English were removed.


However, a new question has come up!
Who should our Great Leaders be?
Right know we have 1, 2, 3, ... 10 as our leaders.


Corruption is toned down to 75% of normal - this will probably help the AI out more!


Our currently city list - can you add any more?
Canberra
Sydney
Melbourne
Brisbane
Adelaide
Hobart
Alice Springs
Perth
Broome
Cairns
Freemantle
Darwin
Derby
Woolongong
Wagga Wagga
Kalgoolie
Albany
Broken Hills
Coober Peedy


The UNIT unit will be Anzac, an overall better rifleman.
5-7-1 and triggers a golden age.

 

[Ziggy]

more citys for you LK

Newcastle Bathurst Townsville Toowoomba Ballarat Geelong Port Augusta Derby Port Arthur Woomera Kwinana
Oh and PROPER spellings for some of my previous ones...Coober Pedy Kalgoorlie Broken Hill

As for great leaders..not a clue...current PM of Australia is John Howard though....the only 2 "great" people i can think of offhand are Robert Menzies (an early PM who was in power for AGES) and Ned Kelly (bushranger)...maybe a "real" Aussie can help more here?..where are you all?...dont let the Canadien decide your fate!

 

[Chieftess]

Any room for 1 more? What diff. level is it on?

Why not an antiquity boomerang unit as a UU? Although, it would be outdated by the time you settle Asia.