Loco communication thread

[1889]

Proposed message:

Dear Joe and Locopatamians,

We accomplished much in our last chat and look forward to our next chance to speak with you again. In the mean time we would like you to consider the potential for future tech trades. We currently have Military Tradition and will soon have Education. Hopefully we can work out some trade with your current research or Gunpowder.

We await your reply,
1889 and Innovia.

Again I used my name but feel free to volunteer yourself as ambasador. I think this message should be sent to Team Loco and to Joe Harker's personal mail.

 

[1889]

emailed to Joe and Loco.

 

[dutchfire]

- zegt:
hi
Joe zegt:
hi
- zegt:
how are things?
Joe zegt:
alright, got a bit of a cold
- zegt:
cold? it's june
Joe zegt:
I know, only i could get a cold in June
- zegt:
did you get 1889's message?
Joe zegt:
Yes and i replied
- zegt:
I'll take a look at our gmail
Joe zegt:
We are researching constitution
- zegt:
good choice
- zegt:
are you sure you replied? there's nothing in our gmail account
Joe zegt:
I might of sent it to 1889 directly rather than though your teams gmail
Joe zegt:
i will check now
- zegt:
okay
Joe zegt:
sent to you
Joe zegt:
did you get it?
- zegt:
yep
Joe zegt:
Does it sound alright?
- zegt:
yeah it does
Joe zegt:
Also, as i wrote in the email, i am drawing up a tch plan beginning from the industrial age, so far i have got
Joe zegt:
Loco researches Scienfic Method, Physics Electricity, and railroad
- zegt:
are we going to trade as soon as possible?
Joe zegt:
Yes
Joe zegt:
Innovia reasearches Steam power Steel Arty and Assmebly line, this means Loco researches more beakers to make up for the loss in this trade
- zegt:
sounds great
Joe zegt:
And then we can plan our way though the modern age
Joe zegt:
Also i left out combustion, but one team could research that while the other researches rockerty
- zegt:
btw did I miss replaceable parts?
Joe zegt:
yes, have you got replacable parts
- zegt:
no, we don't have it at the moment IIRC
Joe zegt:
shall we research chemistry for it?
- zegt:
how does that change the amount of beakers for each team?
Joe zegt:
they are exactly the same cost, although we will have to research engineering as well
- zegt:
we need chemistry for steel anyway
Joe zegt:
or trade for it with another team
Joe zegt:
So we will finish constitution then research engineering and chemistry and you research education and replacable parts
Joe zegt:
Also someone needs to research rifling as well
- zegt:
back to the drawing board
Joe zegt:
Well the lost beakers could be gain in the modern era!
Joe zegt:
In fact if the person who researches combustion also does rifling and the other team researches rockerty than the beakers are roughly the same
- zegt:
is that with the beaker difference in the education-mil trad-gunpowder-constitution deal included?
Joe zegt:
Yes because we will research more beakers during the industrial age
- zegt:
okay
Joe zegt:
Right i am going to do the numbers (this is the par where it all goes wrong!)
- zegt:
lol
Joe zegt:
Loco does 29172 beakers
Joe zegt:
Innovia do 29458 beakers
- zegt:
that's awfully close
Joe zegt:
There has to be a hitch somewhere!
- zegt:
so to sum it all up:
Joe zegt:
Hang on those didn't include the combustion+rifling for rockerty. If loco researched rockerty then the figure stands at
- zegt:
we give you military tradition now and education when we'll get it, and you'll give us gunpowder now and constitution when you'll finish it
Joe zegt:
okay
- zegt:
Then later on, you research Scientific Method, Physics, Electricity, and Railroad, Engineering, Chemistry
Joe zegt:
Loco 37752 Innovia 36608 + we need to research ecomnics plus corpoations, if you did corpoartions sinces it more expensive
Joe zegt:
Okay
- zegt:
And we research Steam power, Steel, Arty, Replaceable Parts and Assmebly line
Joe zegt:
Yep!
Joe zegt:
And any beaker differences we will make up in the modern age, i think loco researches about 800 beakers more.
- zegt:
and we've still got Rifling, Economics, Corporation, combustion and rocketry
Joe zegt:
Loco does economics
- zegt:
so we'll do Rifling, Corporation and Combustion? and you'll also take rocketry?
Joe zegt:
yep
Joe zegt:
I will send the final plan in an email
- zegt:
okay, I'll let someone do the maths to see if it's correct
Joe zegt:
Okay, i have proberly missed something so the more checks the better!

Chat... ..

 

[dutchfire]

Dear 1889 and Innovians

The trades sounds good, we are researching constitution in 9 turns, will be less because we are saving up gold at the moment
If we did a straight swap, education, miltary tradition for constitution and gunpowder, it would leave Loco with a 858 beaker advantage over you, this could be made up in later trades or in a payment of gold.

Also I am drawing up a possible tech plan starting from the industrial age to help achieve a techological advantage over the other teams.

Hope to hear from you soon

Joe Harker
Foreign Minister of Loco

And

Right here are the details of the tech plan, as disscussed with dutchfire

Loco
Researches and trades but not nessarcy in this order
Gunpowder
Constitution
Economics
Chemistry (engineering as well since we might be getting this in a trade)
Scienfic Method
Physics
Electrcity
Railroad
Rockerty

Innovia
Miltary Tradition
Education
Replacable Parts
Rifling
Corpoation
Steam Power
Steel
Artillery
Amessmbly Line
Combustion.

I think that is it and the costs are Loco: 38424 beakers Innovia:40326 although this can be made up for in the modern era.

Joe Harker
Foreign Minister of Loco

In our Gmail

 

[Theoden]

Good work and it seems like a decent plan. I think we should go for it.

 

[grant2004]

I agree I like that tech plan it should give us a chance to make this game difficult for Epsilon and Piffle

 

[1889]

Ya, I concure.

 

[1889]

Sent to Loco:

Breaking News

Our caravel has been exploring the Epsilon coast. 11 tiles west of Delhi is a town called Sunrise Citadel. Garrisoned in the city are 5 catapults, 3 cavalry a galley and a galleon, clearly an invasion force. We are making preparations and urge you to do likewise.

Take care,
Team Innovia

 

[1889]

And here is their reply:

Thanks for the notice, our miltary has been sent to the north and west coasts of our empire, please keep us updated

All the best
Joe Harker

 

[1889]

Edu was sent to Loco this turn. Here is a propopsed message to go along with:

Good News,

We just figgered out sumthin called Ed-u-ca-shun. We dun sent it t' y'all. So you kin get some book lernin' like we gots. What'cha lernin' on right now?

So long cusin

 

[grant2004]

Brilliant that message makes me very happy

 

[1889]

I dun sent it.

 

[1889]

Here is their reply:

obviously you haven't mastered it yet!
I think we still researching constitution, should be ready in 2 or so turns.
jeejeeps back so we are sharing the role of turnplayer.

See ya
Joe

 

[1889]

Proposed message to Loco:

Dear Loco,

I’m not sure how familiar you are with Epsilon’s East coast, but we have been keeping a pretty close eye on developments there and wonder if you would like to update your maps.

Team Innovia

Also they should have Constitution any turn now.

edit: SENT

 

[dutchfire]

Loco finished constitution on the interturn if I'm reading the diplo screens correctly.

To Loco:

Dear Loco,
How are things in Locopotamia? We noticed you've finished Constitution, great work. We would appreciate it if you'd go for Chemistry next, because it's a crucial defensive tech, as it gives grenadiers and frigates. Maybe you could try to get engineering from Aloha to speed things up.

Also, we haven't seen any Epsilonian galleons on the oceans yet, have you seen them? Any information on their whereabouts would be great.

Yours,
dutchfire
Team Innovia

 

[dutchfire]

Hi Innovia

We will give you constitution next turn, if we can't research chemistry, we will research Scienfic Method, because we have a Great Scientist waiting to research some of it anyway.

We have yet to see any galleons yet, however, soon we will get one of our galleys near our west coast to do some scouting

Yours,
Joe

In our inbox

 

[1889]

Sent to Loco:

Hello Locopatamia,

Congrats on Constitution, we will have Replicable parts in 3 turns and are working with Aloha to get Engineering. I want to let you know that in a recent chat about that trade they mentioned they also have a scientist and are planning to study Scientific Method so if you have already begun that project would you please coordinate with them. Scientists are handy for other stuff too or you can just hold on to him for a few turns. We are really cutting through the tech tree now so the next tech for him to lightbulb shouldn't be far off.

Cheers,
Innovia

 

[dutchfire]

three way tech alliance chat:

- zegt:
hi
Joe zegt:
hi
- zegt:
how are things in Loco land?
Joe zegt:
alright, just about to play the save
- zegt:
okay
- zegt:
are you going to send Constitution now? (or has it already been sent?)
Joe zegt:
been sent i think
- zegt:

- zegt:
what are you researching now by the way?
Joe zegt:
just checking now...
- zegt:
because Aloha is going to do Scientific Method, we'll probably be able to get it from them
Joe zegt:
We are researching part of SM with a great scientist
- zegt:
they are doing that too
- zegt:
it would be great if you could go for Chemistry first
Joe zegt:
ah. ok we will do chemistry.
- zegt:
could we draw up a three-way-tech-alliance?
Joe zegt:
thats a good idea, there is a slight problem on how to organise it
- zegt:
yeah, we'd need to have an alohan too
Joe zegt:
You have got constitution from us
- zegt:

Joe zegt:
engineering we hope to get it from aloha as part of a previous deal, and then we will start chemistry.
- zegt:
okay
- zegt:
I believe we'll get replaceable parts in about 3 turns
Joe zegt:
yes i saw it in our inbox,
- zegt:
okay
- zegt:
I think we're starting Rifling next
Joe zegt:
Ok i can't remeber what we have to do after chemistry, but we work that out when we get to it.
- zegt:
perhaps physics?

joe32320@hotmail.com heeft je een buzzer gestuurd!

Joe zegt:
Hope your TC goes better than mine, it seems like it's haunting me at the moment!
- zegt:
lol, you didn't do too bad
Joe zegt:
Physics will be fine
Joe zegt:
oh well, i just have to take what comes and hope for the best!
- zegt:
I see that donsig is still rambling about the TC though
Joe zegt:
Yes thats whats worries me, plus, this latest one has come 9 days after the TC so it looks like to me he went out of his way to find something wrong, of course i could be wrong!
- zegt:
well, donsig has been moaning for ages, about everything basically
Joe zegt:
He would make a good opposition party leader though!
- zegt:
it looks like Vassalage is winning
Joe zegt:
I know, would have prefered Bureacy to it, the warlord better make use of it!
- zegt:
which lacross matches today?
Joe zegt:
Both!
- zegt:
is my team playing?
Joe zegt:
Yes, against my team, i will do it first
Joe zegt:
1st playoff: UTD get possession but miss
Joe zegt:
2nd playoff: UTD get possession and score
Joe zegt:
3rd playoff: DABEST get possession and score! 1-1
Joe zegt:
4th playoff: DABEST get possession but miss!
Joe zegt:
5th playoff: UTD get possession and score! 2-1
Joe zegt:
6th Playoff: DABEST get possession but miss
Joe zegt:
7th playoff: UTD get possession but miss
Joe zegt:
8th playoff: DABEST get possession and score! 2-2
- zegt:
woot!
Joe zegt:
9th playoff: DABEST get possession but miss!
- zegt:
drumroll.............
Joe zegt:
10th playoff: UTD get possession but miss!
Joe zegt:
2-2 final score, now what
Joe zegt:
have a replay at a later date?
- zegt:
I dunno
- zegt:
these are the playoffs, aren't they?
Joe zegt:
yes
Joe zegt:
shall we consult the managers?
- zegt:
yeah, I suppose that's best
Joe zegt:
ok i put a message in with the scores
- zegt:
you could also pm Ice2k4 and George as they don't seem to visit the forums frequently
Joe zegt:
Yeah will do.
Joe zegt:
I will do the second matches now,
Joe zegt:
Do you want to listen in?
- zegt:
sure
Joe zegt:
1st playoff: FBHS get possession and score 1-0
Joe zegt:
2nd playoff: GD get possession but miss
Joe zegt:
3rd playoff: FHBS get possession and score! 2-0
Joe zegt:
4th playoff: FHBS get possession but miss
Joe zegt:
5th playoff: FHBS get possession but miss
Joe zegt:
6th playoff: GD get possession and score! 2-1
Joe zegt:
7th playoff: GD get possession and score! 2-2
Joe zegt:
8th playoff: FHBS get possession and score! 3-2
Joe zegt:
9th playoff: GD get possession but miss!
Joe zegt:
10th playoff GD get possession but miss
Joe zegt:
Final score FHBS 3-2 GD
- zegt:
not another tie
Joe zegt:
that would have been interesting!.....
Joe zegt:
sent messages to George and ice
Joe zegt:
Is BTS out in the Netherlands yet?
- zegt:
not as far as I know
Joe zegt:
Just asking, seems weird that australia should get it first!
- zegt:
it is weir
- zegt:
d
- zegt:
doesn't matter to me that much anyway though, I'll have the TC tomorrow, the new Harry Potter saturday and I'll be starting work on monday, so I've got enough on my hands
Joe zegt:
Well it comes out tormorrow and it's my last day of college, so perfect timing for me,
- zegt:
bclg100 should be online now, (he's on CFC)
Joe zegt:
ok, should one of us send him a pm?
- zegt:
already done
Joe zegt:
right i will just get civ 4 up and take a look
Joe zegt:
any luck?

Simon is aan het gesprek toegevoegd.

- zegt:
he'll be here to chat in about 5 minutes
- zegt:
joe, do you have a proposal for techs?
Joe zegt:
not quite yet, i am resending the save to piffle, hasn't worked agained
- zegt:
current deal is: Loco: Scientific Method, Physics, Electricity, and Railroad, Engineering, Chemistry, Rocketry, Economics
Innovia: Steam power, Steel, Arty, Replaceable Parts and Assmebly line, Rifling, Corporation and Combustion
Joe zegt:
Right i am back
- zegt:
if Aloha does Scientific Method, Engineering, Assembly Line, Steel, Economics, how would the beakers be divided then?
Joe zegt:
hang on, each team would have to research 26312 beakers to reach the modern age (excluding techs should as medicine and so forth)
- zegt:
any luck dividing these techs between the teams?
Joe zegt:
hang on
Simon zegt:
hey
- zegt:
hey
Simon zegt:
sorry was seeing if there was anything for food
Simon zegt:
there wasnt
- zegt:
lol
Joe zegt:
hi
Simon zegt:
so whats up guys? joe= joe harker?
- zegt:
yep
- zegt:
he's trying to think up a tech plan
Simon zegt:
well first things that spring to mind is that teams should research what piffle/epsilon have done first
Simon zegt:
replaceable parts etc
- zegt:
we're doing replaceable parts atm
- zegt:
other important techs are chemistry, rifling, scientific method...
Joe zegt:
got it!!!!
- zegt:
great, show us
Simon zegt:
i doubt epsilon will be in too much of a hurry for sci meth
Joe zegt:
just a minute let me write it out neatly!
Joe zegt:
If aloha take Ecomonics, Corpoartion Assmebly line, Rockerty Scienfic M and Rifling, then i think that works out roughly the same
Joe zegt:
Can you check you get around 23000 beakers each for your teams?
Joe zegt:
Loco has 22594
- zegt:
Loco: Physics, Electricity, Railroad, Chemistry, Economics
Innovia: Steam power, Steel, Artillery, Replaceable Parts Combustion
Aloha: Economics, Corporation, Assembly Line, Rocketry, Scientific Method, Rifling
Joe zegt:
Hang on we will research rifling instead of aloha
Simon zegt:
is anyone researching democracy?
- zegt:
Loco: Physics, Electricity, Railroad, Chemistry, Economics, Rifling
Innovia: Steam power, Steel, Artillery, Replaceable Parts Combustion
Aloha: Economics, Corporation, Assembly Line, Rocketry, Scientific Method
- zegt:
not at the moment
Simon zegt:
that should be an essential tech
Joe zegt:
aloha has 22022, loco has 24590
Simon zegt:
i appreciate it isnt needed as such but cottage growth plus negatives of emancipation
- zegt:
sure
- zegt:
and biology? that's definetly a nice tech to have too
Simon zegt:
biology is required for space so should definatly throw that in
- zegt:
if we throw in Biology, Democracy and Industrialism, one tech/team, would the beakers still roughly match?
Joe zegt:
inoovia has 19448, ok innovia gets rifling and researches 22880 beakers, loco 21158 and aloha gets 22022 beakers
- zegt:
@bclg, this is just the techs until the modern age, not until the end
- zegt:
Loco: Physics, Electricity, Railroad, Chemistry, Economics
Innovia: Steam power, Steel, Artillery, Replaceable Parts Combustion, Rifling
Aloha: Economics, Corporation, Assembly Line, Rocketry, Scientific Method
Simon zegt:
yeah i assumed as much
Joe zegt:
that sounds about right
Simon zegt:
but i would like to point out that we're not going to be researching anything else again anytime soon
Simon zegt:
not by choice of course
Joe zegt:
have you got engineering?
- zegt:
you'll be doing Scientific method first, aren't you?
Simon zegt:
yeah we got engineering the turn before
Simon zegt:
and we can get halfway to sci meth with our GS
Joe zegt:
We also used a GS on SM!
Simon zegt:
we havent actually used it yet
Simon zegt:
so if you want to continue on it by all means go for it
Simon zegt:
and we'll save it for the next tec
- zegt:
that's physics
Joe zegt:
don't worry you go for it, we need to research chemistry, which is why i asked you about engineering, if you catch my drift
Simon zegt:
yeah but we can always research chem- you've wasted a lot of beakers otherwise
Simon zegt:
or innovia could research chem or something it seems stupid to waste so many beakers like this
Joe zegt:
actually hang on, we haven't used it, jeejeep just moved it when he last played
- zegt:
okay, great
Joe zegt:
So you go for SM
Simon zegt:
oh ok we'll go for it then
- zegt:
okay
- zegt:
and we should probably all gift each other all techs as soon as possible
Joe zegt:
yes of course!
Joe zegt:
are we all happy?
- zegt:
I am
- zegt:
by the way, what are we going to do with divine right?
Joe zegt:
do we need to research it?
- zegt:
Aloha already has it AFAIK
Joe zegt:
Ok
- zegt:
but it's not really that usefull
Simon zegt:
about the tech gifting thing
Simon zegt:
i think we should only gift each other tech that epsilon/piffle have already unless we actually need it urgently
Simon zegt:
no point in making it cheaper for them
Simon zegt:
other than that im happy
- zegt:
that's true, but most techs will give us immediate benefits
Joe zegt:
Exactly
Simon zegt:
not really
Simon zegt:
for instance how many of you will be switching to representation straight away? (loco have rep)
- zegt:
I think it's generally best to send a message to eachother with the estimated time of completion for the current tech a few turns before completing it, to discuss the moment of gifting
- zegt:
I think we will actually, though I'm not sure
Joe zegt:
Ok i agree
Simon zegt:
sci meth- sure it shows oil but that's not going to help you so we could just tell you two where it is
Simon zegt:
not that we're trying to keep the tech but giving it to each of us straight away only makes it cheaper for the other two
Joe zegt:
Also it means that we have to stay neck and neck with epsilon/piffle
Simon zegt:
well it means that they wont be able to see how far ahead we are
Simon zegt:
economics etc we can trade instantly for the gnp bonus and things but should try and keep the trading to a minimum to lessen the tech costs
Simon zegt:
but if both teams think that we should trade instantly aloha will do so
- zegt:
no, I agree that we should keep it down as much as possible
Joe zegt:
I would prefer to gift straight away, although maybe with some techs that don't give an immediate bonus we could wait
Joe zegt:
actually yeah, wait until one of the other teams gets it
Joe zegt:
Ok then, is that it?
Simon zegt:
so these are the techs?
Simon zegt:
Loco: Physics, Electricity, Railroad, Chemistry, Economics
Innovia: Steam power, Steel, Artillery, Replaceable Parts Combustion, Rifling
Aloha: Economics, Corporation, Assembly Line, Rocketry, Scientific Method
Joe zegt:
yes
Simon zegt:
to point out the obvious then, if we're not trading immediatly that should be altered slightly
Simon zegt:
f'rinstance, maybe aloha should grab physics seeing as sci meth is a pre req
Joe zegt:
that might be a problem...
Simon zegt:
also two people are researching economics
Joe zegt:
oh that was a typo
- zegt:
lol, back to the drawing board

Joe zegt:
noooooooooooooo
Simon zegt:
further, loco will probably finish chem before innovia finish replaceable parts and combustion and before we finish sci meth
Simon zegt:
what will they research in that time?
Simon zegt:
demo?
Joe zegt:
how about we stick with the current, especially since esplion is quite far ahead and won't know now far behind we are
Simon zegt:
im quite happy too but the second point really needs to be sorted out
Joe zegt:
whats the second point again, just so i don't answer the wrong question!
- zegt:
well, we could run 0% for some time to stack up gold, if it's really a problem, and then go 100% later
Joe zegt:
Or we could srcap the idea of doing the same amount of beakers and just decide what tech to do next when it comes to it
Simon zegt:
no the tech plan thing works well
Simon zegt:
i think we should stick with it
- zegt:
me too
Simon zegt:
just alterations as we go will probably needed
Simon zegt:
this works for time being im just thinking 20 turns ahead etc
- zegt:
as allways
Joe zegt:
ok thats fine, just putting an alternative in
Joe zegt:
I will need to go shortly
Simon zegt:
well aloha would be more happier just searching everything when we get it, our tech pace wont be setting the world alight
Joe zegt:
well if there are any problems let us know about it and we will work to get around the problem!
Joe zegt:
Right are we ok?
- zegt:
yeah, I am
Simon zegt:
yep think we are
Joe zegt:
Ok then, nice meeting you both today, i have now got to go and take the cat to the vets! bye!
Simon zegt:
cyas later joe
- zegt:
bye

 

[1889]

Warning sent to Loco:

Hello Locopatamia,

Our Caravel has spotted a Galleon on its way to Epsilon's southern city - Dune. They may be planning to launch the invasion from there. We are sailing in for a closer look.

We'll be in touch,
Innovia.

 

[1889]

Reply recieved from Loco:

Thanks for the warning, we have a galley to upgrade so we will be keeping a watch too.

Thanks again
Joe.