Louis XIV??

[Black_Pegasus]

So i just watched a history channel special on France...After watching it i realized, why is Louis XIV in the game? All he did was make a few wonders...On the other hand he crippled the French economy and doomed them for the French Revolution and thought of himself as a god...Disagree? Agree?

 

[Will9]

Louis XIV did A LOT more than make a few wonders. And I'm pretty sure it was Louis XVI that destroyed the French economy.

 

[Black_Pegasus]

Louis XIV did A LOT more than make a few wonders. And I'm pretty sure it was Louis XVI that destroyed the French economy.

well no...louis xiv overspent on forts and wasnt watching his finances which put the french in great debt...seting them up for the revolution..

 

[JujuLautre]

During his reign, he increased the power and influence of France in Europe, engaging in three major wars—the Franco-Dutch War, the War of the League of Augsburg, and the War of the Spanish Succession—and two minor conflicts—the War of Devolution, and the War of the Reunions.

The political and military scene in France during his reign was filled with such illustrious names as Mazarin, Fouquet, Colbert, Michel le Tellier, Le Tellier's son Louvois, the Great Condé, Turenne, Vauban, Villars and Tourville. Under his reign, France achieved not only political and military pre-eminence, but also cultural dominance with various cultural figures such as Molière, Racine, Boileau, La Fontaine, Lully, Le Brun, Rigaud, Louis Le Vau, Jules Hardouin Mansart, Claude Perrault and Le Nôtre. The cultural achievements accomplished by these figures contributed to the prestige of France, its people, its language and its king.

Louis XIV worked successfully to create a centralized state governed from the capital in order to sweep away the fragmented feudalism which had hitherto persisted in France, thus giving rise to the modern state.

Wikipedia is much better than I am at writing all this, so I hope you will accept this c/c. But To my defense, I learned all this at school, some long time ago

I thought one time about c/c the french part, but not sure you would understand it

 

[Julian Delphiki]

So i just watched a history channel special on France...After watching it i realized, why is Louis XIV in the game? All he did was make a few wonders...On the other hand he crippled the French economy and doomed them for the French Revolution and thought of himself as a god...Disagree? Agree?

Are you confusing Louis XIV with Louis XVI?

 

[Black_Pegasus]

Are you confusing Louis XIV with Louis XVI?

no its louis the fourteenth...The Sun King?

 

[Willem]

no its louis the fourteenth...The Sun King?

It can't be the fourteenth who set the country up for the revolution since that event put an end to the monarchy, and there were still two Louis' after him.

 

[Black_Pegasus]

It can't be the fourteenth who set the country up for the revolution since that event put an end to the monarchy, and there were still two Louis' after him.

yes i know that it was about 100 years before the revolution...however with his horrible money management, he crippled the french economy to a point that the next two louis' couldnt fix it...and in the end the revolution occured...

 

[Willem]

yes i know that it was about 100 years before the revolution...however with his horrible money management, he crippled the french economy to a point that the next two louis' couldnt fix it...and in the end the revolution occured...

I'm sure that within 100 years, two monarchs could have repaired any damage he may have caused had they been willing to do so. It's hardly fair to blame him for the revolution when his successors were clearly incompetent. In fact, that's one of the reasons why the revolution took place, the people lost faith in their leader.

 

[Black_Pegasus]

I'm sure that within 100 years, two monarchs could have repaired any damage he may have caused had they been willing to do so. It's hardly fair to blame him for the revolution when his successors were clearly incompetent. In fact, that's one of the reasons why the revolution took place, the people lost faith in their leader.

yeah i guess...i just thought that since he kinda cripled it he shouldnt be in the game...but wtvr...if we were to do that, a bunch of leaders wouldnt be in the game...so no use crying over spilt milk...

 

[budweiser]

He is one of the greatest monarchs. He fought wars to expand the nation of France. He led a cultural craze that had all the capitols of europe emulating his court. He is the longest reigning monarch on record. He very well deserves to be in civ, moreso than Nappy.Nappy isnt much better than a certain ausrtian corpral who shall not be named.

 

[buffalo6542]

But he put his country in a HUGE debt, that lasted for centuries to come and fought many failed wars.

 

[Wilphe]

Well, he managed to tank the economy during the War of Spanish succesion, but it get's rebuilt during the long peace after his death and then promptly tanks in just about every war the Ancien Regime fought thereafter because the underlying .

It also doesn't help that France was normally up against the English; whose financial system was a lot more robust than France's and could absorb more debt more efficiently and at lower rates. French methods of defecit finance where archaic in comparison, but then Louis there wasn't doing anything different to those before him.


Personally I'd rather see Francis I or Richlieu, but I won't deny his right to be in the game.

 

[Black_Pegasus]

Well, he managed to tank the economy during the War of Spanish succesion, but it get's rebuilt during the long peace after his death and then promptly tanks in just about every war the Ancien Regime fought thereafter because the underlying .

It also doesn't help that France was normally up against the English; whose financial system was a lot more robust than France's and could absorb more debt more efficiently and at lower rates. French methods of defecit finance where archaic in comparison, but then Louis there wasn't doing anything different to those before him.


Personally I'd rather see Francis I or Richlieu, but I won't deny his right to be in the game.

yes after some thought i definetly agree he should be in the game because he impacted france greatly...but im thinking maybe they couldve put someone else in such as de gaulle instead of in bts and then when bts came along give a civ thats only got one leader 2 like arabia or japan or any of the many that only have one leader...

 

[Colonel]

The Sun King, had the French kept him alive there would have been no revoultion.

 

[Black_Pegasus]

The Sun King, had the French kept him alive there would have been no revoultion.

well because he was a dictator...

 

[SinkingDutchman]

Louis was quite a trendsetter in Europe especially in the cultural domain. The French culture was thought to be very refined in the rest of Europe and leaders tried to build their own versions of Versailles, wore feminine clothes and wigs like the French aristocracy and put French furniture in their palaces.

Combine that with the first fully politically, economically and culturally centralized government in Euro and a succesful nationalism campaign and I think Louis XIV deserves a place among the civ leaders.

And yes, he spent money irrisponsibly. But hey, Qin Shi Hang built a 2300 mile long wall, which was practically ineffective, which costed ten thousands of life and he's there.

If Louis' leadertrait was financial you would be right.

 

[ICNP]

Louis is a very heavy handed Monarchy, who did everything possible to keep everyone loyal and prevent revolt. If Louis XIV never died then their would be no French Rev, he would not stand for it. But all of this culture cost a whole lot of gold, and while he and his court led a life of Splendor the peasants had an impossible time with finances.
Basically he set it up so that if a weak handed ruler came in then France would crumble.

 

[shiba Homer]

I'm sure that within 100 years, two monarchs could have repaired any damage he may have caused had they been willing to do so. It's hardly fair to blame him for the revolution when his successors were clearly incompetent. In fact, that's one of the reasons why the revolution took place, the people lost faith in their leader.

That's like saying the Treaty of Versallies wasn't a major cause of the 2nd World War. 100 years isn't a long time in history, look at the English attitude towards the French, even though we were on thre same side in both World Wars. If the bloke really wrecked the economy (and wars can really do that) it is no wonder he is cited as a major cause of the French Revolution.

 

[Kao'chai]

So, Mao is in the game .And what he did was even worse .

Civ Leaders are actually balanced , they should be brilliant and horrible .