Mansa Musa Immortal Cookbook

[Fleme]

@obsolete

Spoiler :

I suppose I had the advantage of knowing my strategy before the game started. I'm what you, specifically you, call a marathon noob and on that speed Skirmisher warfare is a viable option and I simply wanted to see whether or not it's a viable strategy here. What supported my decision even further was the poor starting location which still had enough hammers to pump out skirmishers.

On top of that, I recall reading that as far as hammer/strength conversion goes, Skirmisher is unparalleled until Knights come in so they're actually a pretty decent fighting unit.

I agree with you on the point that this map doesn't do anything in terms of learning how to master Immortal or civ at all but instead you're either forced to sit on a very undesirable piece of land with a guaranteed eternal war on your hands - that is until you can overcome Shaka. Given his terrain, however, that's very unlikely to happen any time soon and with that in mind I'm fairly sure 75%+ of the saves will just end up trying to grab as much land as possible from the jungle belt while setting up a defensive position on some hill and brace for impact.

As far as economy and teching goes... well, if one can overcome Shaka in the first 100 turns I would say it's possible just to cottage the entire island and grab a tech lead for any win.

I'm feeling pretty confident about my save too and it actually does lead to a very boring scenario as you mention.

 

[GKey]

I've played my turn and have to agree with Obsolete.

Spoiler :

No food/no start resource semi isolation with Shaka (who got everything)? Looks like a joke.

 

[kossin]

obsolete, adding to what Fleme said:

Spoiler :

There was no bronze OR horses. I didn't tamper with strategic resources. The generator was a ******. The only iron was in fact stuck BEHIND a mountain range. Yes, that's right, you required to build a galley in the desert to access it.

Some maps deal you bad hands... this isn't the worst but it's down there for certain.

My goal was to provide variety: Skirmishers are great and even just choking with them removes an AI from the game, regardless of having or not metals. Duckweed once said that as MM you should get Archery regardless of surroundings as they are so good - I agree.

But yea, the game is pretty much won from Fleme's save so I don't mind starting a new one if that's the general feeling. He nailed the start pretty hard.

 

[(Pro)Peanut_P]

Spoiler :

Starting a new game sounds better than continuing on this, Fleme has won the game already,continuing is a waste of time.

Good Job Fleme

 

[GKey]

^^ Agreed.

 

[Kid R]

Has anybody been able to work out if there is a possibility of contact with further AIs from this continent?

Spoiler :

If not it's gonna be like isolation but 10 times worse

Unless everyone is isolated of course.

 

[kossin]

Alrighty, here's the next one folks. Scrap this one.

Montezuma... plenty of hammers available. (obviously)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=394550

 

[obsolete]

I didn't tamper with strategic resources.

Mmmm... Ok but, in the future keep in mind that the normalizer requires at least a minimum of 3 hills for each BFC. So the start you edited (teraformed) here is technically an IMPOSSIBILITY in the REAL-LIFE maps. Anyhow, I've always been against re-rolls but with the introduction of the plains-cow glitch again in the last patch, no one will wine if you re-roll those. Don't try to fix a bugged map when all you have to do is hit the regenerate button.

 

[kossin]

Fair enough - my sincere apologies to everyone for an unpleasant experience. Looking forward to seeing you in the new, more standard, map!

 

[drlake]

Hmm, it's that bad? I didn't even get a chance to play a turn.

 

[CivConVict]

Uhm. So to summerize:

The map is horrible and had to be edited to be playable.
The game is won anyway.
Let's start a new one.

Huh?

 

[vranasm]

ah I see... game over before i touched the starting save... nice

 

[Dhoomstriker]

Yeah, I don't understand why the game is being abandoned. One minute we're talking about:

Turning food into hammers vs turning food in commerce being stronger from t100-t200

and then all of a sudden the game gets scrapped.

Whatever, I'm overly busy this week anyway. But, when I find the time to play (probably at the earliest being in a week's time), I will go ahead with my apparently "easy to guess" strategy:

I wonder if Dhoomstriker will attempt a worker-steal in this game

That of: Hunting -> Anim H -> Archery -> Pumping out 3 Skirmishers--one for each of the assumed nearby 3 AIs--and stealing Workers/choking any of the AIs that offer up a Worker. Maybe not all of the AIs will get a Worker stolen, if they hide their Workers well.

I'll likely go Warrior 1SW then settle to get the Clam unless I find another Food Resource to the south-west with the Warrior on Turn 0. I'm a big fan of Coastal Capitals, even if I won't have Fishing for quite some time.

 

[bobbyboy29]

I really enjoyed obsolete building a token cottage so his save would get voted for, a very nice and ironic touch!

On to the next one I guess. Don't feel too bad kossin, sometimes you just can't tell how a map will play out. Thanks for being a wonderful host at least!

 

[kossin]

Yeah, I don't understand why the game is being abandoned. One minute we're talking about:


and then all of a sudden the game gets scrapped.

Whatever, I'm overly busy this week anyway. But, when I find the time to play (probably at the earliest being in a week's time), I will go ahead with my apparently "easy to guess" strategy:


That of: Hunting -> Anim H -> Archery -> Pumping out 3 Skirmishers--one for each of the assumed nearby 3 AIs--and stealing Workers/choking any of the AIs that offer up a Worker. Maybe not all of the AIs will get a Worker stolen, if they hide their Workers well.

I'll likely go Warrior 1SW then settle to get the Clam unless I find another Food Resource to the south-west with the Warrior on Turn 0. I'm a big fan of Coastal Capitals, even if I won't have Fishing for quite some time.

That's what I had thought. I usually say 'Play the map' but when you're given a leader with a strong early game... might as well use it to your advantage. Civ isn't a RPC (unless your name is madscientist, that is) so play dirty!

Anyway, I scrapped the game because the map wasn't generally welcomed. It's a fair balance between learn-ability and play-ability ... both need to be present. Like I said, feel free to play it out but once you figure out the opening strategy, the rest is pretty standard stuff.

I really enjoyed obsolete building a token cottage so his save would get voted for, a very nice and ironic touch!

On to the next one I guess. Don't feel too bad kossin, sometimes you just can't tell how a map will play out. Thanks for being a wonderful host at least!

Thanks.