May the best white male win?

[Bozo Erectus]

Do you think its remotely possible that against all odds we might end up with another Republican president in 08 just because when push comes to shove, too many Americans still couldnt bring themselves to vote for a black man, or a woman? Are we past that yet?

 

[MobBoss]

If you ignore this being the case then you are being extremely naive. I have stated it before and will state it again....the first non white male president to be elected will have to be someone who is seen to unify the parties, not divide them further. If the person is not respected by both parties universally, they may as well kiss it goodbye cause the majority i.e. white males in America - are not going to vote for them.

 

[Atlas14]

I seriously hope not. I hope we get a Republican president due to credentials, not race. Unfortunately I see in Newsweek's candidate polls Hillary is being polled higher than Obama, which indicates to me a race factor since I have no clue what people could possibly see in Hillary.

 

[JollyRoger]

If you ignore this being the case then you are being extremely naive. I have stated it before and will state it again....the first non white male president to be elected will have to be someone who is seen to unify the parties, not divide them further. If the person is not respected by both parties universally, they may as well kiss it goodbye cause the majority i.e. white males in America - are not going to vote for them.

So if Clinton or Obama wins, then I guess you will have to agree that they were universally respected, right?

 

[Bozo Erectus]

If you ignore this being the case then you are being extremely naive. I have stated it before and will state it again....the first non white male president to be elected will have to be someone who is seen to unify the parties, not divide them further. If the person is not respected by both parties universally, they may as well kiss it goodbye cause the majority i.e. white males in America - are not going to vote for them.

Im not sure I know what you mean by both parties universally respecting a black candidate. Basically what youd be saying then is that there will never be a black president, because its completely impossible for one of the two parties to ever field a candidate thats universally respected.

I just dont know. My first instinct is to say that America is beyond that now. Just like we voted for a 'scary' Catholic guy in 1960, we can vote for a black guy in 08. But then I think, maybe I think that just because Im a typically liberal leaning North Easterner. And then of course, to put icing on the cake for people hesitating his middle name is Hussein. Oh no...

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

Do you think its remotely possible that against all odds we might end up with another Republican president in 08 just because when push comes to shove, too many Americans still couldnt bring themselves to vote for a black man, or a woman? Are we past that yet?

We had a white female Prime Minister and it didn't do us any harm.

**Ducks and runs from brick throwing Socialists**

 

[Fugitive Sisyphus]

I think that the United States is too civilized to not vote for someone because of racism or sexism.

Republicans wont vote for a Democrat of any race or gender and Democrats wont vote for Republicans of any race or gender.

 

[Theige]

I think that the United States is too civilized to not vote for someone because of racism or sexism.

Republicans wont vote for a Democrat of any race or gender and Democrats wont vote for Republicans of any race or gender.

Good thing most people don't consider themselves Republicans or Democrats

 

[MobBoss]

So if Clinton or Obama wins, then I guess you will have to agree that they were universally respected, right?

Nope. I will merely state I was wrong in my premise. Do you think my premise wrong?

 

[Fugitive Sisyphus]

Good thing most people don't consider themselves Republicans or Democrats

Most people are lying to themselves.

 

[JollyRoger]

Nope. I will merely state I was wrong in my premise. Do you think my premise wrong?

I think your premise is wrong and your pre-emptive moving of the goalposts is

 

[Swedishguy]

I am the best white male!

Seriously, the reason so few chocolate people is in the government is because nobody cares about minorities. That's the reason.

And I don't think minorieties should rule a country. And even if that was not the point... well, where's the black guy who should be the president?

 

[MobBoss]

Im not sure I know what you mean by both parties universally respecting a black candidate.

Say for example if Colin Powell ran for President as a republican. He would most certainly be more respected by the democrats as a moderate, than republicans respect Obama as a far left liberal.

Basically what youd be saying then is that there will never be a black president, because its completely impossible for one of the two parties to ever field a candidate thats universally respected.

Not at all. In fact, I would say that someone like Colin Powell would be a far better black candidate than Obama ever could be.

I just dont know. My first instinct is to say that America is beyond that now.

Nope. Just in another thread we have the Missouri congress attempting to apologize for slavery. A lot of white people are upset by this because, like our fav poster from Missouri stated: they believe they have nothing to apologize for since what happened 150+ years ago isnt their fault. If you think our nation is 'beyond it' you got another thing coming.

Just like we voted for a 'scary' Catholic guy in 1960, we can vote for a black guy in 08.

Sorry, but Obama isnt JFK. Not by a long shot.

But then I think, maybe I think that just because Im a typically liberal leaning North Easterner. And then of course, to put icing on the cake for people hesitating his middle name is Hussein. Oh no...

I have a ton of redneck relatives from the South that have been staunch democrats all their lives - virtually unwavering. However, if either Hillary or Obama gets the nod they will either vote republican or not vote at all. Their words directly to me on that.

 

[MobBoss]

I think your premise is wrong and your pre-emptive moving of the goalposts is

Well, be prepared for me to claim I was wrong if Obama or Hillary win, but also to proclaim I was right if they lose.

Personally, I dont think either of them have a chance in hell of winning. People tend to talk a lot of crap about who they would vote for a year and a half out....then think again just prior to putting their vote to paper.

 

[JollyRoger]

Well, be prepared for me to claim I was wrong if Obama or Hillary win, but also to proclaim I was right if they lose.

They could still lose without proving your premise, but you are a paralegal with years of experience, so why should you need schooling on basic logic at this point.

 

[Irish Caesar]

I don't think that will be an issue because a white male Republican will be running against a white male Democrat.

Seriously, the reason so few chocolate people is in the government is because nobody cares about minorities. That's the reason.

And I don't think minorieties should rule a country. And even if that was not the point... well, where's the black guy who should be the president?

Have you even been to the States? Because I don't know whether to laugh or cry after reading this.

 

[Elrohir]

I am the best white male!

Seriously, the reason so few chocolate people is in the government is because nobody cares about minorities. That's the reason.

And I don't think minorieties should rule a country. And even if that was not the point... well, where's the black guy who should be the president?

No one cares about minorities in the US?



On the contrary, I think we are too PC, and protect minorities too much, and take that to an unnecessary extreme.

 

[Hygro]

If you ignore this being the case then you are being extremely naive. I have stated it before and will state it again....the first non white male president to be elected will have to be someone who is seen to unify the parties, not divide them further. If the person is not respected by both parties universally, they may as well kiss it goodbye cause the majority i.e. white males in America - are not going to vote for them.

That's what Obama's is, and Republican individuals have been very receptive (even if they'd still prefer one of their own). However, the powerbrokers--the ones who really want and have a stake in a Republican president--will do everything they can to turn this uniting asset of Obama's into some kind of 'wolf-in-sheep's-clothing', economic-communist,-social-anarchist-in-disguise liability. It's not true of course--Obama's style is one of unity and consensus, of common strenghs and shared hopes. He's a leader who wishes to lead a nation diverse in so many ways. Maybe its his open mindedness and respect for diversity, particularly including republicans and conservatism) that makes him a liberal. But not a leftwinger. He's liberal, but he's not a lefty.

Obama will put the good of our country before his own personal preferences of legislation and rules. In case you want an further pro-republican endorsement of why liberal Obama would still be a fine president even for you guys, The Nation doesn't like him because he puts the common good above the left's good.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Say for example if Colin Powell ran for President as a republican. He would most certainly be more respected by the democrats as a moderate, than republicans respect Obama as a far left liberal.

True, everyone respects Colin Powell. Actually, everyone used to respect Colin Powell. That UN speech he made pretty much ended his Goldenboy status.

Not at all. In fact, I would say that someone like Colin Powell would be a far better black candidate than Obama ever could be.

Of course you do Mobboss, Powells a Republican! If Obama was Republican and Powell a Democrat, youd be slamming Powell

Nope. Just in another thread we have the Missouri congress attempting to apologize for slavery. A lot of white people are upset by this because, like our fav poster from Missouri stated: they believe they have nothing to apologize for since what happened 150+ years ago isnt their fault. If you think our nation is 'beyond it' you got another thing coming.

Seriously, what the heck does that have to do with Barrack Obama? And also, you can be against this Missouri nonsense and not be racist.

Sorry, but Obama isnt JFK. Not by a long shot.

Not yet, but remember not even JFK was JFK until he was assassinated.

I have a ton of redneck relatives from the South that have been staunch democrats all their lives - virtually unwavering. However, if either Hillary or Obama gets the nod they will either vote republican or not vote at all. Their words directly to me on that.

And their reasons for that are what exactly?

 

[Lambert Simnel]

I think that the United States is too civilized to not vote for someone because of racism or sexism.

Ahh, where's that Gandhi quote about Western civilization when you need it ?

Sorry, but I can't agree that the US is too civilized (in any respect), nor that there aren't significant numbers of US citizens whose sexism or racism won't affect their votes. Still, this is just a perception on my part - have you got anything you can point to which makes you think people's voting intentions won't vary significantly with a woman or non-white candidate ?