[MOD] Fall from Heaven II

[Kael]

I just installed "patch 16i", but it has several problems. First, the "mood music" and the artwork are not in the game! In short, I prefer "patch 11"! Where can I find that version?

You have to install the full mod, not just the patch. Patch "i" only works on version 16, so you can't use it to upgrade from version 11.

 

[Dragonscar]

kael can you answer why it is you couldn't come up with your OWN creative ideas and had to go steal copyrighted material to complete this modpack, if you are wondering what i am talkin about it is some of the icons you have for technologies, i recognized quiet a few of them they are from a game called guild wars, now i don't think anet would be happy to see there hard work taken so you can make a name for yourself, if ppl think i'm lying then i'll even take screens from both games, like i said as much as this mod pack is awesome i didn't like the fact it has stolen material in it and i thought ppl should know this

 

[Pratputajao]

kael can you answer why it is you couldn't come up with your OWN creative ideas and had to go steal copyrighted material to complete this modpack, if you are wondering what i am talkin about it is some of the icons you have for technologies, i recognized quiet a few of them they are from a game called guild wars, now i don't think anet would be happy to see there hard work taken so you can make a name for yourself, if ppl think i'm lying then i'll even take screens from both games, like i said as much as this mod pack is awesome i didn't like the fact it has stolen material in it and i thought ppl should know this

Welcome to Civ fanatics..I guess. Your first post is to slam someone for using artwork from another game in their game Mod? Last time I checked keal is not making any money from this, this is done for fun. LIGHTEN UP! So he could make a name for himself.. hehe.. I like that. Give me a break...

 

[seZereth]

kael can you answer why it is you couldn't come up with your OWN creative ideas and had to go steal copyrighted material to complete this modpack, if you are wondering what i am talkin about it is some of the icons you have for technologies, i recognized quiet a few of them they are from a game called guild wars, now i don't think anet would be happy to see there hard work taken so you can make a name for yourself, if ppl think i'm lying then i'll even take screens from both games, like i said as much as this mod pack is awesome i didn't like the fact it has stolen material in it and i thought ppl should know this

Welcome to Civ fanatics..I guess. Your first post is to slam someone for using artwork from another game in their game Mod? Last time I checked keal is not making any money from this, this is done for fun. LIGHTEN UP! So he could make a name for himself.. hehe.. I like that. Give me a break...

Well, almost every icon in the mod is "stolen" from another artist/game, and noone of the team ever said, that we produced all those icons!!! we could, but it would take a lot of that time we think is more usefull to put into designing our own units and gameplay mechanics(with the base Firaxis provided). If you want a mod that is so deep as FfH is, without "stolen" stuff, well then you wont get a mod but you will have to pay for it, cause we would have to pay the great 2d artists for providing such great material. And by the way, the guild wars icons are the easiest to reproduce (though it would take some time), but think of the leader pictures and stuff!

 

[Jean Elcard]

kael can you answer why it is you couldn't come up with your OWN creative ideas and had to go steal copyrighted material to complete this modpack, if you are wondering what i am talkin about it is some of the icons you have for technologies, i recognized quiet a few of them they are from a game called guild wars, now i don't think anet would be happy to see there hard work taken so you can make a name for yourself, if ppl think i'm lying then i'll even take screens from both games, like i said as much as this mod pack is awesome i didn't like the fact it has stolen material in it and i thought ppl should know this

Right, but I suppose you are the last one here who doesn't know this. If you would create all the art by yourself you would have to work for years and years to come. And btw, the fact that all the moders here are lending art from time to time was mentioned often enough already, I think.

 

[loki1232]

kael can you answer why it is you couldn't come up with your OWN creative ideas and had to go steal copyrighted material to complete this modpack, if you are wondering what i am talkin about it is some of the icons you have for technologies, i recognized quiet a few of them they are from a game called guild wars, now i don't think anet would be happy to see there hard work taken so you can make a name for yourself, if ppl think i'm lying then i'll even take screens from both games, like i said as much as this mod pack is awesome i didn't like the fact it has stolen material in it and i thought ppl should know this

Many of the people whose artwork was borrowed have actually given their permission.

I'm glad you like teh mod though.

 

[Lucius Sulla]

kael can you answer why it is you couldn't come up with your OWN creative ideas and had to go steal copyrighted material to complete this modpack, if you are wondering what i am talkin about it is some of the icons you have for technologies, i recognized quiet a few of them they are from a game called guild wars, now i don't think anet would be happy to see there hard work taken so you can make a name for yourself, if ppl think i'm lying then i'll even take screens from both games, like i said as much as this mod pack is awesome i didn't like the fact it has stolen material in it and i thought ppl should know this

First of all, I apologize in advance to the mod creators for getting heated up upon this, when I have nothing to do with the mod itself (apart from avidly playing it), but I think that, in the same way a good work needs to be praised, stupid and unfair rants like this need to be attacked and ridiculed as the crap they are. Once said this...

Dear Dragonscar... I suggest you to follow these easy steps:

A. Learn to write (my eyes hurt at the lack of punctuation, the childish abbreviations and the fact you don't seem to have a functional 'shift' key in your keyboard)
B. Learn to read (since obviously you have not been able to read the disclaimers of the mod, nor the fact that it has been stated several times the copyrighted art has been asked to their creators, and that several copyrighted art has been rejected from the mod when said permission has not been obtained... certainly I do think I remember watching Kael rejecting the use some music he had not permission to use).

... and THEN, and only THEN...

C. Come around to share with us any fair criticism you may have upon the mod. I'm sure both the players (such as me) and the modders will thank any advice and critics to get a better, future ressult.

By the way, and after reading some complains in other subforum about the lack of nice stories for Civ IV, I'm seriously considering writting an AAR for this mod. Just trying to decide which civ would be better for something written in a narrative style.

 

[Kael]

kael can you answer why it is you couldn't come up with your OWN creative ideas and had to go steal copyrighted material to complete this modpack, if you are wondering what i am talkin about it is some of the icons you have for technologies, i recognized quiet a few of them they are from a game called guild wars, now i don't think anet would be happy to see there hard work taken so you can make a name for yourself, if ppl think i'm lying then i'll even take screens from both games, like i said as much as this mod pack is awesome i didn't like the fact it has stolen material in it and i thought ppl should know this

What!? Guild Wars stole my icons!!!

hehe, Im kidding.

Definitly no secret that a lot of the 2d art and music comes from other sources. You don't need to post screenshots, you could just quote the Readme that comes with every copy of the mod (and is also covered in the first post in this thread):

A huge thanks to the artists I shamelessly cut tiny pieces of art from to make all of the icons and graphics used in this mod. Justin Sweet, Brom, Don Maitz, Keith Parkinson, etc etc are all amazing and contributed (unknowingly) not only the amazing art, but inspiration for a fantasy world through their work. Several icons are used from the GuildWars game for their clear evocative style.

Some of the songs heard in this mod are from the Eclipse Mod for Half-life 2 and Arcanum. Additionally there are small cuts (5-30 seconds) of songs from Enya and Cirque du Soleil throughout the mod.

Justin Sweet: http://www.justinsweet.com/
Brom: http://www.bromart.com/
Keith Parkinson: http://www.keithparkinson.com/main.php
Don Maitz: http://www.paravia.com/DonMaitz/Version2/index.html
Greg Staples: http://www.gregstaples.co.uk/
Jason Engle: http://www.jaestudio.com/
Linda Bergkvist: http://www.furiae.com/

Rich Douglas: http://www.richdouglas.com/ - Most of the religion songs and background music
Cirque du Soleil: http://www.cirquedusoleil.com/CirqueDuSoleil/en/default.htm - Many of the leader themes and the title track
Enya: http://www.enya.com/main.php - Most of the religion themes and some of the leader themes
Arcanum: http://arcanum.sierra.com/us/media/media-soundtrack.html

These people are amazing artists and I try to give them proper credit for their work. A lot of the art and music is used without permission, I think you will find that is pretty common in the mod community as a whole, even outside of Civ4. Be it modders creating skins for the Sims that allow you to have Homer Simpson and Spiderman in your game, a mod that adds batman music and giant BAMF! and POW! ballons when you do damage in World of Warcraft, or a Lord of the Rings mod for Oblivion.

This is not a professional game (although I honestly think that some things like the unit art are professional quality) and its just a hobby for us so we dont have developers to do 2d art or music. We just do what we can to make the game we want to play, and share it here in case anyone else would like to use it too.

 

[Joosty]

What about the icon for the dwarven worker. You stole that too eh Kael?

On to things that matter:

There's some graphical glitch with ship sails, I noticed it with the queen of the line but maybe also the galleon or frigate. The sails just turn into your civs colour.

Also, how come the frigate is stronger than the queen of the line, but it still upgrades to a queen of the line?

Great work, anxiously anticipating fire!

 

[Kael]

What about the icon for the dwarven worker. You stole that too eh Kael?

On to things that matter:

There's some graphical glitch with ship sails, I noticed it with the queen of the line but maybe also the galleon or frigate. The sails just turn into your civs colour.

Also, how come the frigate is stronger than the queen of the line, but it still upgrades to a queen of the line?

Great work, anxiously anticipating fire!

Frigate is a warship, which you can upgrade to the queen of the line heavy transport ship. You do lose some power but you gain a ton of cargo. So the Queen is overall an improvement even if her strength is lower.

Yeah, I started repainting the sails away from the team colors. I need to continue that work, you are correct that the big chucks of team color don't look that good.

 

[seZereth]

Frigate is a warship, which you can upgrade to the queen of the line heavy transport ship. You do lose some power but you gain a ton of cargo. So the Queen is overall an improvement even if her strength is lower.

Yeah, I started repainting the sails away from the team colors. I need to continue that work, you are correct that the big chucks of team color don't look that good.

dont fear, Roland is eager about doing that navy stuff, and i think he will do a great job!

 

[Nikis-Knight]

By the way, and after reading some complains in other subforum about the lack of nice stories for Civ IV, I'm seriously considering writting an AAR for this mod. Just trying to decide which civ would be better for something written in a narrative style.

I did one as the Kuriotates, link below.

And Kael, have you thought about asking Bioware or whoever owns the leader pics about having official permission in return for an (unobtrusive!!) ad or two?

 

[kzoocauchy]

Is there any way to keep your Pirates from sailing into enemy towns and dying against their defensive units other than babysitting them every move so that they don't do it? I guess this is another idiosyncrasy of hidden nationality.

 

[evlutte]

I am eagerly awaiting Dragonscar's mumbled appology

 

[Lev Davidovich]

Since we are one the subject of art - who is the artist who is used for the pic of Faeryl Viconia in the Svartalfar mod (I already asked, she doesn't remember)? I only ask because I love the artwork and would love to see more by the artist!

 

[Cadaveres]

This is not a professional game (although I honestly think that some things like the unit art are professional quality) and its just a hobby for us so we dont have developers to do 2d art or music. We just do what we can to make the game we want to play, and share it here in case anyone else would like to use it too.

Hey, Kael and everybody. I am somehow musician (well, being musician is one of my frustrated careers, together with being porn star ). I used to play music in band, and right now I compose music for videogames when I have free time (a friend of mine directs a videogame company). I am more than eager to help (of course within the limits of my free time) because FfH has given to me sooo much hours of fun.

My main concern is that I cannot compete with Enya's music quality at all . Plus most probably people are already use to FfH's soundtracks. However if you think that there is some music to be contributed, just tell me and I will do the best I can when I can. And if my work fits in FfH2, cool; and if it does not... well, at least I tried to contribute.

 

[seZereth]

Hey, Kael and everybody. I am somehow musician (well, being musician is one of my frustrated careers, together with being porn star ). I used to play music in band, and right now I compose music for videogames when I have free time (a friend of mine directs a videogame company). I am more than eager to help (of course within the limits of my free time) because FfH has given to me sooo much hours of fun.

My main concern is that I cannot compete with Enya's music quality at all . Plus most probably people are already use to FfH's soundtracks. However if you think that there is some music to be contributed, just tell me and I will do the best I can when I can. And if my work fits in FfH2, cool; and if it does not... well, at least I tried to contribute.

ask your friend if his company is looking for a 2d/3d artist (well, not yet artist, but i am learning fast )

 

[Kael]

Since we are one the subject of art - who is the artist who is used for the pic of Faeryl Viconia in the Svartalfar mod (I already asked, she doesn't remember)? I only ask because I love the artwork and would love to see more by the artist!

Chain and Jane are the name the artists go by. Their website is, http://www.chainandjane.com/ but it seems to be down right now.

Its the only picture of theirs that I use but I love that pic too. I actually modified the picture in the mod because the origional picture is of a human, I gave her elf ears and it must be decently blended because no one seems to have noticed the difference.

 

[Kael]

Hey, Kael and everybody. I am somehow musician (well, being musician is one of my frustrated careers, together with being porn star ). I used to play music in band, and right now I compose music for videogames when I have free time (a friend of mine directs a videogame company). I am more than eager to help (of course within the limits of my free time) because FfH has given to me sooo much hours of fun.

My main concern is that I cannot compete with Enya's music quality at all . Plus most probably people are already use to FfH's soundtracks. However if you think that there is some music to be contributed, just tell me and I will do the best I can when I can. And if my work fits in FfH2, cool; and if it does not... well, at least I tried to contribute.

Can you provide a sample of something you have already done?

 

[Broken Hawk]

I am eagerly awaiting Dragonscar's mumbled appology

Hopefully he or she was doing a one time drive by....