[MOD] The Second Revolution!

[Norseman2]

I like that. Those sound good. Any other opinions on this one? Can you add abilities to 'religions' in civ4 so they are not all neutral??

Well, religions can unlock abilities already. For example, when you have a holy city and the same religion. I have no idea how to introduce benefits or penalties, but I assume it would be quite similar to setting up a civic.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

that sounds freaking cool. im getting my new PC tomarow (i pray to the gods). im gonna check out the code after i put about twelve hours into warlords

 

[Mode]

I take back what I said about having a 7 player version of this wonderful map. I couldn't tell from the screenshot how the west coast rebels were represented. I fancied the black flag team to be a radical eco-terrorist counter-revolutionary movement, and have been having a ball.

My computer crashes more often when I play this mod than usual, however, and so the mod needs a lot of work or I need a super computer.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

I take back what I said about having a 7 player version of this wonderful map. I couldn't tell from the screenshot how the west coast rebels were represented. I fancied the black flag team to be a radical eco-terrorist counter-revolutionary movement, and have been having a ball.

My computer crashes more often when I play this mod than usual, however, and so the mod needs a lot of work or I need a super computer.

At anytime today i will be getting my alienware via FED EX (the waiting is terrible). I plan on working on "Second Revolution v2.0"
This i plan on having a smaller map than the current one, by about 30%. But I plan on keeping cuba out of proportion a bit, so it can still compete.

I also plan on updating some leaders, as I believe mexico has a new el presidente, and castro's brother will be represented in the next leaderhead (i hope castro doesn't die, i was really starting to like him )

 

[turquoiseninja]

Make sure you keep all the same music! Especialy Bush's diplomacy music. And what will you do for a menu? The same one from original Second Revoultion?

 

[GarretSidzaka]

Make sure you keep all the same music! Especialy Bush's diplomacy music. And what will you do for a menu? The same one from original Second Revoultion?

all the same music of course! and i am missing one song; i have an empty slot!! Im voting for "1936 Pueblas en Armas" by anatifascista band, Sin Dios! what do you all think should go there?>???

As for the start up screen, i will have to edit it a bit, since the leader heads are gonna change, and i plan on sprucing it up.

BTW EVERYONE:
this version will have a closed beta test, as in, i want only a few ppl to download it until it is freaking perfect. if you want to beta test it, post here. i will ask again later, as i just a few hours ago got my new computer and havent even installed warlords yet

 

[Norseman2]

I'd be interested in beta testing it.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

thanks bro. now i just have to make something to test...

oh yeah, and take care of 6 month old at same time

 

[Leif]

I am very interested in a beta or alpha test.

Let's see, Neo-Conservatism (founded by the project for a new american centuary), Liberalism (founded by NAFTA?), Conservatism (maybe also founded by Nafta), Orthodox Marxism (Founded by the Manefesto), Anarchism (Founded by Emma Goodman? [Also warranting a drop of 'Anarcho' in front of the Syndicalists' title]), and maybe Populist or Neo-Marxist (founded by morern marxist writings, although I can't think of any at the moment [I'm reading 'classical' {Goodman} anarchism at the moment]).

Also, I think you need some more variety in music per civilization, you could have some Marine, religious, or nationalist songs for America, Mexico, or Canada (oooooooh Caaaaanaaadaaaaa), also Rumsfield singing 'let the eagle soar' comes to mind also.

Let's see, for the Anarcho Syndicalists you could do more punk or that awesome anarchist folk, the song 'class war' comes to mind especially, although a modern version of 'California Uber Alles' is also going through my head.

For cuba there's always www.sovmusic.ru/english
here's a song about castro http://www.sovmusic.ru/english/download.php?fname=cuba

and the whole Che category
http://www.sovmusic.ru/english/list.php?part=1&category=che

as for the ELZN, hmm, that's slightly more challenging, how about songs about the Spanish Civil war? Or maybe Bolivar?

The Internaionale always works, (here's it in over thirty languages)
http://www.hymn.ru/internationale/index-en.html

Also, not to denounce a movement I believe in, but maybe the Syndacalists could have a movile spawner, as in the barbarian and Khan scenarios.

Also, for kicks, I think you should try to add in boyscouts, they'd be gleeful fodder for the US.


Here's a thought, have you considered making a version of this mod for the future, as in a hundred years from now on a different map? As in Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia?

I think someone, if not you then maybe even me, should do that eventually...
..You can never have enough Orwellian cautionary tales in one gaming community.

Good luck with everything, and please release changes to civics and leaderheads

 

[GarretSidzaka]

I am very interested in a beta or alpha test...

Yes i really need you on my team too, so you are welcome, i am starting the mod tonite! thank god for the barebones mod kit in warlords!!!!!

Let's see, Neo-Conservatism (founded by the project for a new american centuary), Liberalism (founded by NAFTA?), Conservatism (maybe also founded by Nafta),...

The others are quite good in my mind, but this one i would like to boil down to Neo-Liberalism, and Conservatism (there is nothing neo about it)

Also, I think you need some more variety in music per civilization,...

do me a favor, listen to the current selections for the music, and tell me which ones stay/go. although i have had many laughs, the more right wing crowd would like less fun poked at america, so maybe america, F*ck Yeah, by parker/stone can go

Also, not to denounce a movement I believe in, but maybe the Syndacalists could have a movile spawner, as in the barbarian and Khan scenarios.

i had planned that before i even had started a single line of the first version. there just wasnt any way to do it then. can you get more info on this as far as implementation?

Here's a thought, have you considered making a version of this mod for the future, as in a hundred years from now on a different map? As in Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia?

would bring a tear to Orwell's eye

 

[Norseman2]

do me a favor, listen to the current selections for the music, and tell me which ones stay/go. although i have had many laughs, the more right wing crowd would like less fun poked at america, so maybe america, F*ck Yeah, by parker/stone can go

I'm not a huge fan of the reggae. As much I like the message, the feel of it just doesn't seem right for a revolution. If you have anything else like Sleep Now in the Fire, April 29, 1992 (Miami), or King Without a Crown (not Jewish or even religious, hell I'm an atheist, but the passion in that song is quite refreshing), I think that would be a good choice. America, **** Yeah was actually one of my favorites.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

I'm not a huge fan of the reggae. As much I like the message, the feel of it just doesn't seem right for a revolution. If you have anything else like Sleep Now in the Fire, April 29, 1992 (Miami), or King Without a Crown (not Jewish or even religious, hell I'm an atheist, but the passion in that song is quite refreshing), I think that would be a good choice. America, **** Yeah was actually one of my favorites.

i think there is about 2-4 songs of reggae that i can easily remove, so we need to get songs with names/bands.

if you really want a song, link me to it, or email me so we can figure out how to get them.
ringworldwu AT gmail.com

so far it looks like 2.0 will have at least 30-35 all new units (in addition to vanilla ones i pick

 

[Norseman2]

I'll start looking, but you should remove the link for your E-mail or you may end up spammed. Just make it ringworldwu at gmail and you should be ok. When you have links like that, it's very easy for spiders to pick them out and add them to spam lists.

 

[Leif]

As for a title song, hmm, that could be tough, maybe "I'm a little bit country, I'm a little bit rock and roll" ?

Nah

How about "Funk Bomb" by James Brown, it's neutral in politics, active, and it's got the groove.

Also I have a feeling that the Stone's "Sympathy for the Devil" would be interesting.

For America, how about 'Run like hell' from Pink Floyd? Also, a song from the Paratroopers from the Vietnam conflict also would work well, 'Fighting men who jump and die', while not the most positive, it's about honor and duty and it's certainly patriotic.

As for some more rebel music, there's always Anti-Flag (older stuff), some Billy Bragg, CCR, CRASS, and others.

I'll start thinking about the other stuff soon.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

hey lief, i dont have much anit-flag knowlage, (just recently listen to any of the genre)

whats a good song from them

btw: i think im adding Sin Dios as one of the songs

 

[Hangly Man]

LOL that silly Castro!

As for the religions, I want to try to either completely remove them from the mod (even more than i already have) or take your advice (and of many others) and implement political views to replace the religions.

If i were to do this what kind of "political religions" would we add?

The obvious ones. Anarcho-syndicalism, neoconservatism, libertarianism, anarchism, christian fundamentalism, etc.

Their function in the game should be to undermine enemy, or strengthen friendly cities. If Anarcho-syndicalism takes hold in Washington DC, that city should be more prone to revolt, and suffer production/happiness penalties. Of course the spying function should be maintained.

You could implement a "media" class of civics that would dictate how the ideologies may or may not spread. If your media is open, then any ideology should be able to spread anywhere. If your media is "state run," it would block all but the state ideology just like theocracy in the regular game (and spread the state ideology faster.)

Other people have said this, but I really think you should consider implementing more civs. A libertarian "free state," christian fundies, mormon seperatists, aztlan in california, the ELF, etc. I think this would make it more fun for more people who might have politics different from your own.

Or, if you want to be the communists, it would give you more enemies to crush.


Oh, and you should implement a national wonder called the "Bogus Terrorist Attack." Destroys 2 population in the city that builds it, but bestows -100% war weariness on that civ for a given number of turns.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

i like your ideas.

I think it would be appropriate to add one more civ, and i think a christian state might work in the southern states.

I also decided im probly dropping the anarcho off the syndicalists.

 

[turquoiseninja]

Please keep "America f*k yeah" and I think "Sleep now in the fire" was good for the menu. Can I beta test? I loved the original scenario.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

Please keep "America f*k yeah" and I think "Sleep now in the fire" was good for the menu. Can I beta test? I loved the original scenario.

ok ok ok, i will keep america f*ck yeah, screw the right wingers.

yes you sure can, and i will PM everyone once there is something substancial to BETA test.

btw: does anyone know if the BMP to WBS converter works for Warlords???

 

[GarretSidzaka]

Here is a list I made


Buildings that I will use:

(warlords):
Shopping Mall (same, no supermarket)
Stock Exchange (same)
Monument aka Statue (+2$$)
Assembly Plant aka Primitive Factory(+20%H, +40%H with power,+1 , turn 1 engineer)$150
replaced by factory

(vanilla)
Airport (same, possibly +2 unit move)
Aquaduct aka Water Pumping Station (same)
Bank (same) *
Barracks (same)
Bomb Shelters (same)
Broadcast Towers aka Radio Towers (+1 from hits, can turn 1 engineer)
Bunker (-50% aircraft, -25% Gunpowder)
Coal Plant (same)
Colosseum aka Stadium (+2 , new graphic)
Courthouse (same)
Drydock (same)
Factory (same)replaced by Advanced Factory
Granary aka Silo (same) *
Harbor (same) *
Hospital (same)
Hydro Plant (power, -1 )
Jail (+25%$$, -2 )
Laboratory (+25 science, turn 1 scientist)
Library (+25% science, turn 1 scientist, build reqs)
Lighthouse (same) *
Market (same) *
Nuclear Plant (meltdown .1 percent, -1, need uranium)
Recycling Center aka Eco-center (same)
University (+25 science, turn 1 scientist)

Wonders:
Broadway (same except culture)
Hollywood (same except culture)
Rock & roll (same except culture)
Pentagon (same)
Statue of Liberty (same)
UN (same)
Mt. Rushmore (same except now reg. wonder)
Wall Street (same except now reg. wonder)
West point (same except now reg. wonder)
(nationals not prebuilt)
Heroic epic (same)
Ironworks (same)
National Epic (same)
Oxford University aka Leading University (same)
Red Cross (same)

Custom Buildings:
Fusion Plant (power, +20%H, -2 )$270
Solar Plant (power, +1 health)$260
Advanced Factory (+0%H, +80%H with power, +2 free engineers)$300

Custom Wonders:
EU support: (+50% wealth in all cities?)$900
Japanese Support: (free laboratory in every city)$900
Russian Support: (+25$ defence in all cities)$900
Chinese Support: (+2 free pops and +2 heath in all cities)$800
Australian Support: (+8 Trade routes in all coastal cities)$800
White House: (+4 in city, +100% defence in city)$built
CN Tower: (+100%$$, +1 free engineer)$built

what do yall think?
what could i add? (suggest graphics too please)