[MOD] The Second Revolution!

pacesplace said:
What's Aztlan? Also, Texas was a part of the Confederacy, and the Confederacy was founded on the basis of states' rights, which was brought into question by slavery... Why would the Confederacy rise again 141 years after its dismantling by the Union?
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Aztlan is the theoretical merging of several states and some or all of Mexico, IIRC. As to the Confederacy, in a lot of places in the South and bible belt you'll still find a lot of Confederate flags flying. I doubt any unifiction over racism and slavery could ever occur in the South, but the general idea of those states breaking off and forming a Confederacy is still plausible.
 
Norseman2 said:
Aztlan is the theoretical merging of several states and some or all of Mexico, IIRC. As to the Confederacy, in a lot of places in the South and bible belt you'll still find a lot of Confederate flags flying. I doubt any unifiction over racism and slavery could ever occur in the South, but the general idea of those states breaking off and forming a Confederacy is still plausible.
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While you do see a lot of Confederate flags in the South, the CSA rising again isn't that likely... I doubt they would reestablish a Confederacy with the same name, since their founding principles would most likely be different... Yeah, it's possible, but I don't think it would happen.
 
i agree totally. i think that it is reasonably evident, given my paltry knowlage of real politcal affairs that the south would rebel. i only gave up neworleans to the rebels because of the Katrina holocaust.
 
I know alot of Kansan Anarchists went to New Orleans to show solidarity and help rebuild, too bad they got paid sub-minimum wage because of the laws passed to basically screw over workers in the name of 'progress'....

well, less about modern politics... As my thing says, I live in Kansas and I see alot of Confederate flags, which confuses the **** out of me because Kansas fought against the south and for the rights of slaves. It infuriates me (I hate haters), and confuses me.

Smash the state
 
leif it is good to hear from you again. i think that the confederate flag could have meant freedom from oppresive centralized government and self-determination of local communities; but instead it has become a sign of rascism and hatred because of the unending ignorance of the people who wave it. yes, i said it. thats why there are no southern states in the rebel coalition.
 
looks good but is missing pittsburg & philly.
 
Great game. The atmosphere is perfect, especially how you made Bush look all evil. I could definately see Newyork as one of the revolutionary cities.
 
hey there!
very interesting mod, being from mexico and all it was a refreshing, but utterly tough experience playing as Sc Marcos in warlord difficulty:

1)why is Fidel kind of hostile towards Marcos?
2)why are the canadians hostile towards Marcos?
3) after a few turns my patrolling fighters(all kinds) stop patrolling, why is that?
4)future tanks are useless, they take a long time to produce and require uranium, but when fighting they're total wimps (both defending and attacking).
I'm asking those things because once I started, I began attacking veracruz(there's a typo there by the way, it's veRacruz and in the mod it's veLacruz) and oaxaca city, conquered them both and started fortyfying them.
Fox attacked me but I could fend him off, however Fidel declared war on me and attacked my rear guard, taking one of my cities, so I got really pissed at him, left my newly conquered cities with 4 a zapatista garrison and a sniper each. Movilized half of my conquering armies: one to mexico city, and the other to try and recover my lost city(something that utterly failed since Fidel's red guards were like terminators) every turn I tried to make peace with the canadians and GWB and both refused (sure, I would expect such a behaviour from GWB but from the canadians?). So after struggling a little and finally taking my lost city from Fidel, GWB's and the canadian forces mass attack me and make me not only lose my newly conquered cities, but Guatemala as well, leaving me defending one narrow central american pass.
At that time, when I was getting my butt kicked by all those people (everyone except the anarchosyndicalists) fidel decides to make peace.
After that, the game got very boring since I mass produced zapatistas and mech infantries, to try to recover my lost cities and failed, I just couldn't seem to defeat anyone.

all in all great mod, I just think it needs a little bit of balancing :)
 
thank you guspav for playing!

#1 Fidel starts out heavily swayed towards peace with marcos, but in this game i choose not to have locked alliances, so later in the game, the tides of war can shift. i think i was attacked by fidel as marcos too, and i must say zapatistas have the toughest of all sides in the game.
#2 canada is sided with america (for obvious reasons) but are more likely to make peace with the rebel factions than any others of that side. you have to be very diligent diplomatically as soon as you get the option, and above all do not attack canadian units so you can be more likely to have peace with them sooner, and even more likely to get them to go to war with bush. DONT USE NUKES ON ANYBODY ;) (not saying that you did)
#3 im not sure why the fighters are glitching, i didnt notice that problem, but i think im gonna go ahead and play as marcos again tonite and take over the world
#4 Future tanks (theoretically) should be the strongest unit at power of 50. i'm not sure why you were getting wasted when using them. i should lower the cost though if they arent that strong.

btw, my patch is being put off in favor for a total re-structuring of the mod, which im planning as soon as warlords expansion comes out. it will be Second Revolution 2. please keep the advice coming, especially game balance.

What are your ideas about having a smaller (75%) map??
 
Ok i have a few problems with this game, and they should be fixed.

A moron can win the game as a rebel with all the units you gave them.
Just 1 rebel city has more troops then ALL of America... while the Americans has at the most of 2 defense units in each city with a few planes scattered around...

It’s very obvious that the maker of this game is anti bush at the very least. I don’t really care about your personal feelings but you really should be more realistic.

Now don’t get me wrong, this has the foundation to be THE greatest civ game ever created, just remove the far left ideology out.
Don’t put it far right or left, keep it central... trust me your ratings would skyrocket.


US Government
Police State <== actually keep this, if a war like this ever broke out damn strait we would have it... so im fine with it
Nationhood <== not freedom of speech, ehh during a war im sure this would happen, It did during the civil war, it makes sense if your trying to restart national pride so ok.
Cast System <== not emancipation? I think you should remove the cast system out of the game period since its historically obsolete anyway.
Neo Colonialism <== now this is starting to sound like a far left ideology, and should be renamed, I also have a problem with the more American choice Progressivism, has a democrat symbol on it... I personally think that a game like this should be very central put both party symbols in it or the white house or whatever...


Leader Heads
I love the leader heads of everyone, except bush... again it has a far left vibe on it... Centralize it. He has a ******** face and a explosion behind him...:lol: :crazyeye:


Diplomacy
Perfect, but i personally think Mexico would be neutral in this conflict. It could be persuaded to join either side. But in any case perfect.


Game Stuff
Nukes:
Realistically, the US should only have a nuclear capability... I was disappointed when I saw that Mexico nuked Cuba. All countries should have the capability of developing it but right off that bat only the US.

Cuba:
No way in hell do they have a navy anywhere close to that.
Maybe a few destroyers and transports but in this game Cuba has the largest Navy, more then all the other nations put together.

Rebels:
Why are they using Russian equipment? If their revolting in Canada and the US shouldn&#8217;t they be mostly infantry/civilian resistance/some American tanks? I don&#8217;t understand where the Migs and T-37s came from...

They also have WAY TO MANY TROOPS... just one rebel city has enough troops to take half of the US... a moron could win here on the highest difficulty

Also the rebels shouldn&#8217;t have the capability to shoot down nukes until later in the game...

USA:
Not enough troops, and I know why... your making the point that all of our troops are over seas and that&#8217;s perfectly ok... *(even though the rebels have more troops then they know what to do with)* but realistically ALL of our over seas troops from every corner of the world would come back home to end the revolution. Not even mentioning our allies in Asia and Europe would send aid. ~ ~ ~ Now im not sure how to do this, or if its even possible but you should make it so that by week 5 or 6 American Reinforcements should show up on the map, or place a huge! Fleet somewhere far out in the map filled with many many troops *(pacific and Atlantic)* so that by the time it arrives at the coast bla bla bla

A really neat thing you could add, make it possible to choose who you want to be leader of the US. Set the year in 2008. Rudolph Gulliane or Hillary Clinton. So that the person can choose a democrat or republican leader. If its possible to choose more then 2 people add a list of reps and dems... that would definitely add some bonus points to this game

Washington, West Point, Norad HQ, etc should be filled with Infanty and F-16's

MUSIC
Absolutely perfect, I loved the America **** yeah XD i laughed my ass off

Overall This game still needs work.. But over all has the potential to be the greatest game ever... just remove the leftist junk...

A polar opposite to this game would be were you have to conquer the world and convert everyone to Christianity... were America has a god shield and Jesus cruise missiles... Bush is a servant of god.. bla bla bla... JUNK, well that&#8217;s the opposite of this game..

Just make it fair and balanced in all levels... keep it difficult for all the nations. and this will be rated as professional grade A civ classic
 
I must agree with Bush's picture, it's a tad silly. Make it sincere and mean (well, you only need to worry about sincere).
 
I just tried it, fun concept, very nice stuff etc. Few major problems though.

The russian tank model is way too huge. (rather minor problem).

As far as gameplay goes, USA is greatly underpowered (Cuba having stronger navy??? LMAO) and Syndicate is way too easy and overpowered.

My proposed solution is that either take away SDI from Syndicate, or give way more nukes to USA to even it out, or give much more conventional forces to USA in some remote area, or nerf Syndicate and Cuba. Cause as far as conventional forces go, USA is just bound to get overrun so fast it's so obvious USA is there just to be taken over by other factions.

Or, Syndicates could have only single city for starter, but have cheap, but numerous, units all over the US, and have them start the game.

What I would rather like to see is if you can pull out syndicates all together and have Bush fight against someone like Michael Moore (ohhh this would be the greatest lol) or someone else who is really liberal and outspoken. Sure it would be unrealistic, but I really doubt this mod was aimed to be realistic, so why not have fun all the way (while retaining balance)?

Or like a game called "Shattered Union", perhaps you could split US into serveral factions.
 
Not Michael Moore! That guy is bad **** - seriously. He presents Bush and his administration as a bunch of cronies, working for the middle eastern moneylenders. No! They work for the european moneylenders - the same ones who lent money to the Nazis. And Moore actually advocates disaming citizens. I mean, come on!

Check out this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661&q=alex+jones+martial+law&pl=true

Alex Jones - Rise of the Police State

Then tell me what you think of Moore. He's certainly not on my side....
 
Well Moore was just an example... but regardless, what about the balance issues? Any thoughts on that?
 
i am dubious on releasing a patch just yet. my next update planned will be 2.0 and i want to do a total rebuild of the project after Warlords is out, intergrating all of the new features. so im waiting till it gets on preorder. I had big problems with multiplayer compatibility (there is none to speak of) so i knew i needed a full rebuild. but i am so sick of firaxis' crappy support for modders, im going to wait for warlords and release one compatible with that expansion. i plan on going over the who of this forum and writing down all changes needed too, so i wont forget anyone.
what do you think of this?
 
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