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[TETurkhan]

He was never defeated in battle.

Mongols of the Golden Horde and Ottomans both very powerful empires at the time fell to him with ease.

Never since Genghis Khan had the world seen one like him.

No Turkish leader compares, least not on the battliefield.

He died on his way to conquer China.

Only Alexander the Great & Genghis Khan are in his league.

Just my opinion!

 

[Direwolf]

Here is a good web site about the Ottoman Empire

This is also an another web site containing information about Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkiye

 

[deo]

The Ottoman Empire... Rise and fall...Like all other nations

 

[superisis]

Most posts I've read on this thread have said something along the lines of Constantinople being renamed to Istanbul the second Mehmed II walked into the place. From what I've heard. the city continued to carry the name of Constantinople until the 1800s when the local greek slangword for the city, Istimpol (meaning, as I recall "in the city" or was it "to the city") was so common that it became the name of the city, having been turkified over the years into Istanbul. But perhaps this tale was falsely taught or wrongly remembered. Beh.

As for Ottoman genocides. Well, I'm unsure what their actions against armenians were, but they were certainly not aggressive against all minorities within their borders. Most notably: the Albanians, who could rise fairly easily into possitions of power in the Ottoman world despite their ethnic, historical and usually religious difference (most of them being followers of the Bektashi Dervish tarika).

My suggestion for the leader would be Suleyman the Magnificent: who ruled the ottoman empire at it's peak. Though Timur-i-Lenk is also a great choice (Him being the superturk and all, kicking Byezid the Thunderbolt's ass, as I recall). I also suggeest that when adding to the list of great leaders that the early seljuq leaders should not be forgotten (though I'm ashamed to say that off hand I have)... ehh... Alp Arslan comes to mind, though there are several others left to mention.

A suggestion for a scientific great leader: Sinan. One of the worlds greatest architects who was inspired by the two architects of Hagia Sofia and who inturn created structures that became the awe and archetypes of most western builders and architects from the high renaissance and onwards. Plus, does it no make sense that he can help build great wonders?

By the by, talks about turkish unity is not something restricted to these forums (as some would have us assume). Just take the the flag of modern turkey and change the background color from red to light blue (celeste, I believe) and who get what some identify as the symbol of greater eastern turkey. Sh, though... plenty of chinese may dissagree.

MvH
Johan Båge (not a turk, so I'm bound to litter my posts with errors of all sorts)

 

[Kara_Ejder]

I have been searching on the net and came across here and realised that u guys were having a bit of trouble about identifying Turks well, let me tell you who are turks as i have done much years of research about Turks,

Huns are Turks--> huns were the earliest turks, The first Turkish tribe that is mentioned in history is the Huns. Clear records about the Huns made their appearance in the 8th century B.C. Chinese sources refer to the Huns as Hiung-nu and in time, some of the Huns migrated to the West.Which were called Seljuqs and then they kept separating and had different names, ie:Gokturks, Karahans, Ottomans etc. You all know Atilla the Hun, well, Atilla is a name only used in Turkey and in Hungary(Where some huns migrated into), for God's sake my uncle's name is Atilla.

Believe me Huns are also turks and in turkish history they are referred as the Hun Turks.

So Huns are turks.

Mongols are Turks--> In history Genghis Khan (Cengiz Han in Turkish) is considered to be a Turkish leader and in turkish movies ( dont think it is not a fact just because it is in da movies) they always kept saying " our turkish leader Cengiz Han" etc, or "as turks, we will continue on the path of Cenghiz han".

Also so many words from mongolian are in turkish, The name Cengiz (Genghis) it self, the name Kubilai, the name Cagatay, or the name Cihan or Cihangir, the word kurultay which means like a meeting in turkish same meaning in mongolian, also mongols were a cavalry race using a curved compsite bows, same for Turks. And today many mongolian and turksh customs are the same.

So believe me, Mongols are Turks

Tatars are turks--> Not much to say about them other than they are turks that were in russia and ukraine, and they had been oppressed.

Saracens are turks --> Saracens were the name given to mainly turks during the crusades but there was a part of arabs also called saracens.


Finally today in the world there are about 250 million Turks split all over Asia and Europe. Mongols,Huns, the Ottoman turks (including the anatolian turks), they were all turks except as turks are an invading race when they started invading they , mongols, huns and turks took different paths while invading but they all came from the same place, Central Asia. They are all turks.

Here are countries that are turks in todays world:

Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Mongolia, Kirghizistan, Hungary (although its culture is mainly European, it is originally turkish)

It is a fact that if you know any turkish you would be able to understand and communicate in all these countries (except hungary), if u stay in any of these countries for a month may be even less you should be able to easily communicate with them and understand them.

some interesting facts about turks-->

Turks invented the Scimitar (scimitar name coming from a turkish city thought to be Izmit (almost pronounced like smit)) and the ottoman sabre (well guess where the name is coming from, Ottoman turks), the yatagan short sword used in navy and in very close combat. Turkish cavalry archers could shoot thirty arrows every minute at a distance of 400 yards.

(So when u are making a race for the game, u can just call them Turks and they can have units from all the races above)

I hope I was able to enlighten u all.

If u have any questions u can email me at ejder15@yahoo.com.au

 

[TETurkhan]

hi Kara,

Thanks for sharing your knowledge, however some of the points you have made are not entirely correct.

1. Huns were a Turkic - you are right.

2. Mongols are from the same language branch with the Turks however they are not Turkic.

3. Tatars are Turkic/Mongol people. A mixture of both since for ages both Mongols and Turks lived side and marriages were common between both. For example, there is some speculation that Genghis Khan's mother was Turkish. We do know that one of his wives so there is a possibility but no way to be certain.

4. Saracens are not Turkish. Turks may have been mistakenly called Saracens however that does not make them so.

5. The list of nations is correct except for Mongolia and Hungary. Hungary originally over 1500 years ago may have been Turkish but today's Hungary is not. Also you did not factor in the Magyars who migrated to the area as well. Same goes for the Mongols, they do not see themselves as Turkish and they are not.

Khazars were also Turkic. They adopted Judaism and there is much speculation that Jews from Eastern Europe and Russia may be linked to them. Turks are a people who have a rich history. Turkiye is only one part of that history. However I think it necessary to point out over sights. Some of the things you mentioned I have heard before, but research shows that it was not so.

 

[Precursors]

Hungarians are not turks or turkish, their language is in Uralic group, Turkish is in altaic language group. Huns were not turkish, they were turkic. Azeris are not turkish they are turkic. Swedes are not Norwegian, they're norse, croats are not serbs, they are slavs. There is a difference between being same nation and being in same family group. Please don't settle down with the only education you get (which can be quite subjective) and investigate, learn, explore. Same goes for the armenian kids posting about a so-called genocide of which he got no clue except his grandpa's bed time tales, as well as the greek kid reviving the thread after 2 years with his silly post: "Chios Massacre". Guess what, nobody knows Chios massacre, nobody believes magyars are turkish, so cut the stupid discussion all of you ok. Well done to all turning a gaming thread into stupid fanaticism contest.
I got so appalled by the illeteracy and subjectivity that I had to register on this board to post a reply.

 

[TETurkhan]

You insult people's intelligence by assuming that we all accept any post in this forum like it was the gospel itself. People often make mistakes in the information they put forth. Often others correct this information by providing facts etc. This in my mind constitutes a healthy debate and nothing more.

I see no fanaticism here in this forum except with your overzealous, judgmental attack on discussion of history. I definitely do not see any reason to get upset and if you just registered only to make this one post – well then I find you to be the fanatic here and not us.