Mongolian Ger Is Amazing

[Dearmad]

I'm very excited about a nation that will truly be different from the others in how you should best play it. I love that cavelry units are reward for him and that Razing so you don't overexpand makes sense... and just beign abully makes sense... cool, can't wait! Hope the AI can manage him a little reasonably...

 

[Watiggi]

No, the generator tries to places Civilizations next to each other that are close in RL. You can switch that off, though.

Arghhh! That explains why China never lasts in my games. *slaps forehead*
I am pretty much always Genghis, so that would indeed explain why I end up near Catherine and Mao too. Hmm. How can I change this?

Also, Genghis should do a lot better now in the world 18 civ map, because his expansion no longer has to do with growth. His starting position on the map was all hills and plains, which made his expansion sloooww, so it was outdone by Catherine and China. Now, he may actually be decent.

This will help him a lot. In my games, he's always chewed up and spit out by the middle ages... poor guy.

Same with my games. He rarely gets anywhere.

gosh talk about overpowered

Personally, I think Hannibal, Churchill or Cyrus is higher on the overpowered list. Also Julius now that he has Imperialistic AND Praetorians.

The Mongol empire and many others collapsed in part due to significant financial collapse.

The Mongol empire fell apart because there were no more good leaders to take over after Kublai Khan's death. If there were, it may very well have continued. It wasn't because of financial reasons.

I'm very excited about a nation that will truly be different from the others in how you should best play it. I love that cavelry units are reward for him and that Razing so you don't overexpand makes sense... and just beign abully makes sense... cool, can't wait! Hope the AI can manage him a little reasonably...

I hope so too. I really hope the AI can, especially with the Vassal States system now, make Genghis (and the other conquerors) more into what they were supposed to be. In my games, Genghis rarely gets anywhere. I will say too though that Genghis will have a good Axemen rush too.

Watiggi

 

[kendric]

If you are worried about over expansion why not just burn the cities and take the tidy profit? You can settle them later when you can handle it and just keep your army going to burn farther away cities.

 

[futurehermit]

^^or just run a specialist economy and don't worry about it

note: I thought gers only added +2 xp, not +4?

 

[Betafor]

Now the question is - Cossacks or mongolian cavalry?

Cossacks get a plus vs mounted... but mongolian cavalry have raw XP, which is perhaps more valuable b/c of flexibility

 

[futurehermit]

What about numidian cavalry? They look pretty powerful...

 

[pholkhero]

No, the generator tries to places Civilizations next to each other that are close in RL. You can switch that off, though.

Iirc, that is Civ 3 you're thinking about ~ "culturally linked starts" there's nothign like that in 4. if so, pls post a screen of that on the options screen ~

 

[pholkhero]

^^or just run a specialist economy and don't worry about it

note: I thought gers only added +2 xp, not +4?

it's +2 in top of the normal +2 from teh stable. REmember, UB's stack boni w/the original benefits of the bldg

 

[Instant_Cereal]

Jesus I thought the Mongolians were already powerful enough! They're always conquering multiple civs in my games.

 

[Watiggi]

Jesus I thought the Mongolians were already powerful enough! They're always conquering multiple civs in my games.

Are you kidding? I have never had any of them get anywhere in my games. They always end up out teched and Genghis, in particular, likes to play it safe when he is out gunned and out teched.

 

[Gr3yL3gion]

My dream is coming true!!! Mongol should have been a highly mobile warmongering civ since civ3...

I hope that I can sack more cities and piling up those skulls soon

 

[Watiggi]

My dream is coming true!!! Mongol should have been a highly mobile warmongering civ since civ3...

I hope that I can sack more cities and piling up those skulls soon

I just hope the AI does it too....

 

[Instant_Cereal]

Are you kidding? I have never had any of them get anywhere in my games. They always end up out teched and Genghis, in particular, likes to play it safe when he is out gunned and out teched.

Our copies must be totally different, because everytime either one of the Khans are in my game, they're super aggressive and conquer lots of land.

 

[Watiggi]

Hmmm.
What type of games do you play? Builder or warmonger?
Are you usually more powerful (ie, higher power rating) than the others?
What maps are you playing?
What difficulty are you playing?

I have noticed that a lot of players have consistantly the same experiences with the game but have different experiences to other players. This seems to happen a lot. My theory is that players tend to play a similar way each time and the game responds the same way too - hence the questions. I would so love the Mongols to actually get aggressive and actually conquer. I haven't seen it. Monty does it every now and then and Alex took out Izzy once. Monty has never really attacked me either (only once in all of my games). I usually focus on my power rating in all my games.

I would love to find the difference and play a game like that and experience it.

 

[methane]

I found that since I moved above noble, the agressive civs do a lot better. The AI will have more wars among themselves. I generally play on the largest maps, second slowest speed (the games take a long time). Often, I'll find another continent as one civ there is on it's death knell. Last game I played, England was getting swept aside by Genghis as I discovered their continent. Asoka was getting regularly ganged up on by 2 other civs on that continent, though he was only losing a little bit of territory each war. Also in that game Musa (yes, Mali!) beat up on Rome pretty bad early on, leaving Julius trapped in a single city on the corner of my continent (I didn't even realize he was in the game until relatively late). A few games before that, I discovered a continent with Montezuma and Napoleon alone on it. Monty had Napoleon down to 2 cities, and those only lasted for about another 20 turns.

 

[kristopherb]

the mingols dont apeal to me its there trait combo i dont like

 

[jkp1187]

No, the generator tries to places Civilizations next to each other that are close in RL. You can switch that off, though.

This is not correct. The "ethnic-linked starting positions" option was available in Civ III, but not in Civ IV or Warlords.

 

[Head Serf]

I don't think that bumping 5 month old threads is something looked on as "good behavior" by the rules, but I'd have to check.

 

[Jerome2]

I have to agree - Gengis rocks. I had one city with a ger pumping out keshiks like crazy, and I mopped up everything close. Then came the good bit - I had built the great wall to protect my rear from barbarians (love that!) and at one point had two enemies attacking, one from either side. I did not have enough to kill them, so stayed home, upgraded all kesiks to cavaly (my fave unit) as and when possible, and picked off all invading units. So I lost a few improvements, even a couple of cities for a short time, but as most of the fighting was in my cultural boundaries I was doubling my count toward generals. On top of that I had an cavalry 'army' with the 'double experience points' upgrade and used him whenever I could.

I added all great generals to my war machine city, added West Point with a great engineer. By the time I had infantry (I bee-lined as the enemies had rifle by then) they were pumping out with enough experience to upgrade to commando and nearly combat 5 even. I mopped up without any more effort.

I had my main army, the cavalry - planning to upgrade to a 'copter with full everlything, blitz, extra move and double xp, but long before that there was no-one left to fight ('snif'!).

 

[paperchase417]

" now the less intelligent players have a great civ to tempt them into overexpansion and economic ruin. "

Over expansion, is only a small problem for the early game. Sweat out poverty until after currency, code of laws, and banking, and with 15 cities to your enemies 7, you can easily come back to great wealth. The damage that deficit does to scientific research is a little more difficult to recover from, but with things like the Oracle, Liberalism, and the University of Sankore, and libraries galore, you should be back on top by the industrial age.