More evil civs!

[forcedalt]

The idea of a "dark" counterpart for each civ is an intriguing idea, especially if the AI was tweaked to a natural bias.

Washington/Thomas Gage
Montezuma/Cortez
Boudicca/Nero and so on...

Kind of like something in the civiverse went wrong ,and , their true rivals are usurping their grand plan to "build a civilization to stand the test of time"

rivals/dark civ's might be very cool if : they introduce an insurrection mechanic into Civ 6

If so, does that mean there cannot be evil women ?

Boudicca's leaderhead always looked villainous to me. She is wearing Barb clothes and pointing a sword at me!!!!,what am i supposed to think? (arousal???)

BTW : I don't think the devs will ever put Hitler into a Civ , if nothing else , just the unease at having to draw all those swastika's for the leaderhead and other unique faction art.

 

[troublmaker]

Oh, I'd certainly have to disagree with you on Ho Chi Minh. And probably on Tito as well, but I don't know as much about him.

I don't know too much about Ho Chi Minh either but he did maintain a concentration camp of over 10,000 people on the premise that they refused to sing the Vietnamese national anthem (which was now given the Communist treatment).

Tito is quite bad and anyone from the former Yugoslav has learned to hate him. Tito wanted to create a Serbian dominated greater slavic nation. So he imprisoned hundreds and thousands of Albanians and Croats. He created this method of prisoner control that today we'd think of as the "human centipede."

Basically his guards would take a long stretch of wire and tie a lugnut to it. He would have one person swallow it and poop it out. The wire would feed through the body of the prisoner and then the next prisoner would eat the lugnut, once again the wire would feed through the body of the next person. Well after getting through 20 people you now have people who are literally tied to each other. If someone died from internal bleeding they'd simply be cut from the pack with wire cutters.

After a few hundred people dying from this really weird prison control they'd eventually stop doing it because the prison guards were complaining too much about the smell of dead bodies.

 

[Sturmgewher88mm]

Isn't Ghandi and his wet dreams of nuclear annihilation enough for this game?

http://youtu.be/On-XJw-DqWI

 

[Arcaian]

I don't know too much about Ho Chi Minh either but he did maintain a concentration camp of over 10,000 people on the premise that they refused to sing the Vietnamese national anthem (which was now given the Communist treatment).

Tito is quite bad and anyone from the former Yugoslav has learned to hate him. Tito wanted to create a Serbian dominated greater slavic nation. So he imprisoned hundreds and thousands of Albanians and Croats. He created this method of prisoner control that today we'd think of as the "human centipede."

Basically his guards would take a long stretch of wire and tie a lugnut to it. He would have one person swallow it and poop it out. The wire would feed through the body of the prisoner and then the next prisoner would eat the lugnut, once again the wire would feed through the body of the next person. Well after getting through 20 people you now have people who are literally tied to each other. If someone died from internal bleeding they'd simply be cut from the pack with wire cutters.

After a few hundred people dying from this really weird prison control they'd eventually stop doing it because the prison guards were complaining too much about the smell of dead bodies.

Your list was reserved entirely for 'universally recognised' bad guys in the last century. By the sound of this Tito guy, he was pretty messed up - don't know him well enough to say - but Ho Chi Minh is by no means universally recognised. I know many people in the west who think he did the right thing, had some weird things, but did the right thing. And the Vietnamese hero-worship him still.

By the way, if a work camp of 10,000 is bad, what about the millions of Germans and Japanese the allies put into work camps after WWII?

 

[Magma_Dragoon]

Ho Chi Minh was a good guy, wrote up a constitution that was a copy paste of the US constitution, asked America to help him out in setting up a provisional government, offered to be bffs with America. Then Johnson went to war with them instead because France wanted us to help them hold on to their, what? cinnamon monopoly? And after we saved them from the Germans twice in a row. F%#king frogs.

 

[LoneRebel]

There is debate over the extent to which Ho Chi Minh was responsible for atrocities committed by the Viet Minh. And lest we forget, the South Vietnamese government weren't such a bunch of saints either.

My understanding is that Ho Chi Minh's socialism was a softer kind, not hardcore Stalinism or Maoism. He was a nationalist before he was a socialist and his primary goal was Vietnam's independence. His declaration of independence directly references the US declaration of independence (look it up). He hoped that the US would help Vietnam gain its independence from France. Obviously, no such thing happened. The US's refusal to help is what radicalized the Vietnamese and forced them to turn to the only nations that would help - the USSR and Communist China. Long story short, a lot of the mess that followed could have been avoided if the US had practiced what they preached and supported Vietnamese independence from the beginning. Nevertheless, I understand that the US's hands were somewhat tied because most of the US's allies in that war were imperialists of the first order, especially that racist and arch-imperialist, Churchill. He deserves credit for leading Britain's struggle against the Nazis, but I can never fully respect him because of what an imperialistic git he was.

 

[Bulldog Bats]

Sorry this post has dissolved into (at least) two separate sub posts, but the only President who would be in the same company as Obama for Liberalism would be FDR. However, even worse for me is his over-extending of the Executive power - Executive Orders and such. An important part of our Constitution is the balance of powers. Just because he does not like what course Congress is taking, he is ignoring the legislative process with wholesale sheets of executive orders.

 

[LoneRebel]

Not bad company, FDR.

 

[Loucypher]

Just a shout out to all you Americans: What you call "Liberal" and "Close to Commie", here in Europe we'd still call that conservative and right-winged. Just to shed some perspective.

 

[seanflokstra7]

Just a shout out to all you Americans: What you call "Liberal" and "Close to Commie", here in Europe we'd still call that conservative and right-winged. Just to shed some perspective.

Europe, f*** yeah!

 

[Magma_Dragoon]

In America, what people call liberals are actually conservatives, and what people call conservatives are actually power-politiking insane theocratic reactionaries living in a bubble of economic phantasy obsessed with abortion and buttsecks. Obama is a solidly moderate conservative.

As for "the direction Congress is taking", Senate minority leader Mitch McConnel said this:

Make a public show of wanting to work with the President, but block him at every turn in order to deny him any bipartisan victories, for which Obama will be blamed, because he's the guy who ran on bipartisanship.

In vector notation, the direction they are taking is <0,0,0>. This marks the conclusion of my conversation with bats.

I know of some civs some might label as "evil". In truth, it is a result of trying to force our human standards of morality on creatures which are far more than human.

The Elder Things, who first inadvertently created terrestrial life when artificial single-celled organisms they crafted escaped into the sea. These polyp-like creatures prefer to live in the water, but are capable of building terrestrial cities, even on mountains. Their capital of in Antarctica is over 500 million years old, but eventually was overrun by the very artificial organic machines, the shoggoth, they created. Grotesque mounds of gelatinous flesh, the shoggoth appear to be intelligent stem cell colonies. As such, they are able to rearrange their body to create limbs and organs of any shape or purpose, and reclaim them into their mass when they are no longer needed. Whether a shoggoth's intelligence increases over time until it becomes self-aware and chooses to rebel, or simply begins to violently malfunction in their old age remains unknown.

The Elder Things are a culture focused civ. With all industries either automated or performed by shoggoth labor, most citizens spend their endless lives studying arts and sciences. A boost to great "people" production and culture seems appropriate. They of course will need some undersea unique improvements, and new underwater terrain types will need to be invented. They reproduce using a cloud of spores, so they can rapidly grow their cities. Their settlers are more expensive than human ones, but they are in no rush considering the size of the ocean.

The Deep Ones, lead by Dagon and Hydra. The Murlocs from Warcraft? Torn from the pages of Lovecraft. Capital city is Y'ha-nthlei. They build cities underwater, but unlike the Elder Things, cannot do so on land. Their units can survive above water, however. They also have a set of underwater unique improvements, but these are more productive to make up for their lack of flexibility.

 

[George Abitbol]

And after we saved them from the Germans twice in a row. F%#king frogs.

Thanks. Don't forget we saved you from the British.

 

[direblade99]

Thanks. Don't forget we saved you from the British.

Ba dum tssssss

 

[George Abitbol]

Please explain.

 

[seanflokstra7]

Please explain.

When did France save the USA from England?

 

[George Abitbol]

Wait a moment... Lafayette?

 

[Magma_Dragoon]

It is unlikely we'd be worse off as a part of the UK

 

[seanflokstra7]

It is unlikely we'd be worse off as a part of the UK

For a fact, you might've been better off. Imagine what would've happened if the USA never existed

IIRC the independence of the USA played a role in the decolonization of the world. So if the USA remained part of Britain, there might've been no Indonesia, Brazil, Suriname, South Africa, Mexico and Canada.

 

[Browd]

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