More GUI Lies - Stop Trading Failure

[TheMeInTeam]

View attachment In Your Eye Guy AD-1906.CivBeyondSwordSave

View attachment In Your Eye Guy AD post stop trade izzy hammurabi-1906.CivBeyondSwordSave

Wanting to trade for Izzy's aluminum (and noting that she was willing to trade it to me earlier), I noticed she was trading it to Hammurabi.

I gave her artillery to stop trading with him (starting from the 1906 save above).

I check and WHUT IZ DIS? After bribing izzy to stop trading with hammurabi, THE RESOURCE DEAL IS STILL INTACT ON THE SAME TURN. Oh, but I do still get a trade embargo demerit even as izzy is still trading hamster hit singles for aluminum.

We have 2 choices here:

1. The stoptrade bribe is bugged and does not function properly.
2. The interface is bugged. It says to "stop trading with...". A resource deal is a trade by just about any definition of the word in the English language.

When I bribed izzy to stop trading with hammurabi, I did not bribe her to "close borders with hammurabi and do nothing else as part of this deal". I did not tell her "take a handout so the game gets hammurabi pissed off at me". No...I BRIBED HER TO STOP TRADING WITH HIM...and she is STILL trading with him on the same turn.

The AI already does some seedy things when it comes to resource deals...like iron for pig. Now we have stop-trade deals/demands that function differently for the human and AI? Really?

This *is* a bug, right?

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Are you sure it doesn't take effect on the next turn?

 

[r_rolo1]

The AI still didn't played, remember? The deal will be officially cutted in the turn the first of those 2 AI plays

 

[TheMeInTeam]

The AI still didn't played, remember? The deal will be officially cutted in the turn the first of those 2 AI plays

Are you sure it doesn't take effect on the next turn?

In anticipation of cheap excuses for the game (a favorite in this subforum, especially when it comes to game controls or the interface being truthful), I came prepared today!

Some notes:

- This is actually the 2nd stoptrade bribe. The first one was in 1900 AD rather than 1906 AD. I checked at 1900 AD too ----> neither the turn I bribed nor the following turn were the trade deals canceled...the exact same resource trade remained.

- Rolo, I'm not convinced your description of the deal being canceled is accurate, either. The open borders aspect took effect INSTANTLY, so why not the resources? Also, when the AI demands that we stop trading and we agree, that happens on the AI turn, not ours. You can obviously just chalk that up to a double standard maybe, but having the OB cancelled INSTANTLY (you can see the white lines between the two on MY turn after the bribe is made) makes me wonder what's actually going on here.

- Or are you going to say that the AI *does* cancel the deal, but only after my turn, and then within the same turn makes the exact same trade again? If THAT's going on, it's just as seedy...and the person who made it that way gets his/her pick of "bug" or "extremely asinine and ignorant feature designed to screw over a casual gamer something fierce". Well, they better pick "bug", though I wonder sometimes with this game.

- Where's the ai-ai RTT? The ai-ai "you stopped trading with us"? Why are they opening borders again within 3 turns?

No matter how you slice it though, there's some bull-honkey going on here...more like a LOT of it. Instant OB cancel but not instant resource stoppage? Really? You can't have it both ways here...is it an AI turn deal or a deal effective...you know...ON THE TURN IT'S DONE?

If they meant it all just to happen between human turns, why even put the stop-trade bribe in the game if the AI doesn't have human penalties again? It just becomes a mechanism for misinformed players to feed the AI tech or gold to do something it doesn't actually do.

No, there's no wiggle room here. This bull@#$% is definitely bugged one way or the other.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

The AI has seen your videos and now hates you

 

[God-Emperor]

If a resource trade is less than 10 turns old, can it be canceled voluntarily by either party? I don't think so. Try asking after the trade deal is more than 10 turns old.

Things that can cancel it:
- destroying the resource providing improvement for every instance of the resource for one of them
- a declaration of war between the two
- cutting off all trade routes between them

 

[GravityWave]

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