Mormon arrogance or ignorance ?

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otago

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Why is it that the Mormon church believes it has the absolute right to use culture from other countries without checking with those whose culture it is.

Trying to state that my culture was used in a film for Mormons and they had permission is sheer arrogance.
Flying a couple of NZ Mormons to Utah and kidding Americans that they have the standing to give the OK for use of Te Kamate in a film may impress some Utah types but a couple of Mormon elders have no standing in Maoridom.
The Mormon film makers were so utterly dumb that they did not even have the ability to make sure they got a simple translation right.
Kia Kaha is not Forever strong, it is be/stay strong.

Good manners cost nothing, and it would be good manners to find out which Iwi (tribe) the haka Te Kamate belongs to.
But it seems that the Mormon film makers did not have the manners to bother asking.

That Utah rugby club is suggesting that them attempting to use Te Kamate is an old American tradition, from where is it an old American tradition ?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4748424a1860.html
 
The bill of rights?
 
The Maori are so freaking stupid. They sued Legos, for god's sake, because it used words from its language in its toyline. And they succeeded.

An ethnic group does not have "intellectual property rights" over their culture or language. It's just a culture. And people are free to steal whatever parts of a culture for whatever they damn want to, even if it's stupid to do so.

The Maori don't have anything really worthwhile in culture, anyway. It's just lucky enough to be a large indigenous culture in a colonial country. But that's nothing special. It's just a run-of-the-mill boring Polynesian culture.
 
They do have the absolute right to do that. Whether it is polite or not is a different story, but I really don't see the big deal here.
 
Maybe it's agnorance.
 
You know... people borrow from cultures that are not theres all the time without stating where they got it from. I mean, you think the Maori didn't borrow anything from other Polynesian cultures?
 
MY GOD, THIS IS HUGE!

To the blogs!
 
I think both sides are right here.

You don't copyright your culture. Anyone can use it. However it is arrogant to presume that would be accepted and it is a risk of inadvertent slander if it is shown out of context or incorrectly.

Therefore (IMO) it is the "right" thing to do to ask permission just as it is probably the right thing to do to give that permission within reason. It is also IMO the right thing to do to ask for consultancy and again for consultancy to be given.
 
lndm said:
I think both sides are right here.

You don't copyright your culture. Anyone can use it. However it is arrogant to presume that would be accepted and it is a risk of inadvertent slander if it is shown out of context or incorrectly.

Therefore (IMO) it is the "right" thing to do to ask permission just as it is probably the right thing to do to give that permission within reason. It is also IMO the right thing to do to ask for consultancy and again for consultancy to be given.
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The Ngati Toa are generous people, if they has been asked they would have gladly sent Kaumatua and a kapa haka instructor to make sure they got it right.
After all even Aussie Maori get it right.
Just takes Aussie Maori longer :D
 
You don't copyright your culture. Anyone can use it. However it is arrogant to presume that would be accepted and it is a risk of inadvertent slander if it is shown out of context or incorrectly.
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It is not necessary to respect a culture.
 
otago said:
Why is it that the Mormon church believes it has the absolute right to use culture from other countries without checking with those whose culture it is.
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They have that right. Free country and all. Good luck trying to trademark centuries old cultural traditions. The only question is if it is rude or arrogant to do so. And in my mind, that only applies if they were disrespectful in their usage of it. And if mistranslating stay strong/forever strong is the worst butchering they do, I'd say the answer to that is no.

I guess what I'm saying is...the Maori should quit being hypersensitive pansies. Just be happy that millions more might be exposed to a fraction of their culture (and their very existence for some Americans) and that thus far, it doesn't look like their culture is getting butchered too badly. When it comes down to it the Maori are best known for killing eachother...than meeting the Europeans, getting guns, and killing eachother even more. No matter what they do with the Maori in this film...its an improvement.
 
You're still at this otago? :nono:
 
otago said:
Why is it that the Mormon church believes it has the absolute right to use culture from other countries without checking with those whose culture it is.

Trying to state that my culture was used in a film for Mormons and they had permission is sheer arrogance.
Flying a couple of NZ Mormons to Utah and kidding Americans that they have the standing to give the OK for use of Te Kamate in a film may impress some Utah types but a couple of Mormon elders have no standing in Maoridom.
The Mormon film makers were so utterly dumb that they did not even have the ability to make sure they got a simple translation right.
Kia Kaha is not Forever strong, it is be/stay strong.

Good manners cost nothing, and it would be good manners to find out which Iwi (tribe) the haka Te Kamate belongs to.
But it seems that the Mormon film makers did not have the manners to bother asking.

That Utah rugby club is suggesting that them attempting to use Te Kamate is an old American tradition, from where is it an old American tradition ?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4748424a1860.html
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they dont have to get permission, to believe that they should is arrogance.
 
Bill3000 said:
It is not necessary to respect a culture.
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If a people love their culture and you disrespect their culture, you disrespect them. It is an insult.

You are correct, you have the right to insult people but it is arrogant.
 
lndm said:
Therefore (IMO) it is the "right" thing to do to ask permission just as it is probably the right thing to do to give that permission within reason. It is also IMO the right thing to do to ask for consultancy and again for consultancy to be given.
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Who gives permission?
 
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