Most powerful military in history?

[Gelion]

Then why did you use Eastern Europe as a buffer? B.S

Haha!!! Says a Russian who's country suppressed 14 nationalities and half of Eastern Europe, then tried to enforce its version of 'society' onto Afghanistan and countless other third world countries around the globe. Give me American Imperialism anyday of the week!

Backwards and oppressive is pretty much what the society was.

Only because your leaders were too stupid to percieve a war against a country which was pretty much polar opposities of your ideology. And because the leadership knew it could waste lives in the cheap to buy time, pretty standard Russian concept.

Americans have never had to experience the countless millions shot, beaten, thrown into the Gulag and pretty much enslaved to modernise the country all in the name of Socialism.

Millions of people dying because of stupidity doesn't make you a great power, it makes your country a country which doesn't give a damn how many people get killed in order to stop them from removing the regime they want to protect.

The fact you would of had fewer losses if your Georgian dictator had been willing to listen cancels out the bravery of the millions dead. Stalwart defence of these cities could of been avoided if Stalin would of been willing to listen to strategic planning from his general, oh and shooting them too is kind of a moral downer.

The Americans haven't because they're not stupid. And because the leadershp does actually care about how many of its people get killed, where any Russian conscript is merely going into the meat grinder.

OK let me get down to your level.
Why do you use over 70 countires as a buffer and have military all over the world? We dont like you there, get out.

You culture, your beliefs ands your armies are opressing 100's of nationalities. You are not the one to look down on Russians.

Well I suppose its worse than "shoot "em up" cowboy mentality.

I was not only talking about ww2, but if I was take a good look at a history book, date 22 June. God what class are you attending? .... was gonna say much more here, but clearly you need to read a couple of books before understandging what an invasion is.

Bravery is still bravery no matter the stupidity of governors. Man I wish you were there to feel the dirt, but you will never be there or any other Russian war to feel how it really is.

Yes there are lot of differences between our nations. In fact I can never remember Russian soldiers refusing to attack if they don't have 2 sorts of icecream and 3 of toilet paper...

Next flame post of this manner without facts will be reported.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

In terms of military power Mongolia, hands down

They were unchallenged at their time and their ability to fight was not hindered by political restrictions.

 

[Xia]

Its clearly the Khan empire, the Nazis, or the USA in the late 80's to early 90's

 

[Warman17]

The USSR, they had the most of everything from troops to tanks to planes to missiles to nukes. IN the 1970s the US Airforce issued a report stating the US Air Force would be decimated within 18 days without any reinforcements due to Russian SAM capabilities. It was the main reason we got into the stealth program.

The USSR could have easily overran Europe in a few weeks, maybe months. It would have had to come down to nukes, in which of course the whole world losses.

 

[Dreadnought]

The USSR, they had the most of everything from troops to tanks to planes to missiles to nukes. IN the 1970s the US Airforce issued a report stating the US Air Force would be decimated within 18 days without any reinforcements due to Russian SAM capabilities. It was the main reason we got into the stealth program.

The USSR could have easily overran Europe in a few weeks, maybe months. It would have had to come down to nukes, in which of course the whole world losses.

Read "The Third World War" by (dang it forgot the name) but it is a true book. The USSR does overrun Europe withing a couple weeks. But guess who wins in the end

 

[Dreadnought]

You're an American saying the USSR is more powerful

 

[Dreadnought]

Yes there are lot of differences between our nations. In fact I can never remember Russian soldiers refusing to attack if they don't have 2 sorts of icecream and 3 of toilet paper...

Are you refering to Americans? Because I don't remember that happening with us either. We wanted the coffee

And why are we fighting over such a stupid thing? The USA could beat Russia in some instinces, and Russia could beat USA in others.

 

[alex994]

Are you refering to Americans? Because I don't remember that happening with us either. We wanted the coffee

During Vietnam War the lowest point of 20th century american military prowess.

 

[Gelion]

Are you refering to Americans? Because I don't remember that happening with us either. We wanted the coffee

And why are we fighting over such a stupid thing? The USA could beat Russia in some instinces, and Russia could beat USA in others.

No one debates that, and I do know that presently a war wbetween Russia and US would last no longer than a week with one clear winner (guess who)

My rant was directed at those who jokingly talk about millions of dead and say that Russians can only fight in human waves.

And I do remember a couple of complaints from US forces engaged in a war with Serbia that made the news. They were kind of "strange"

 

[HamaticBabylon]

You're an American saying the USSR is more powerful

Communism is over, so what?

 

[communism]

Why do you use over 70 countires as a buffer and have military all over the world? We dont like you there, get out

Hahaha!! Oh man you need a history lesson, the governments and people of those countries invited them in there, besides, at least those governments are substantially more free than the toilet regimes of the former Soviet bloc.

You culture, your beliefs ands your armies are opressing 100's of nationalities. You are not the one to look down on Russians.

Western Culture is the most influencial in the world because people voluntarily want to import and use our ideas. Russian Socialism was the most backward ideology on the face of the planet. Oh and at least the US didn't need to imprison 14 million of its own citizens to declare it's ideology a success

If the USA was as half as oppressive as the Soviet Union then it would of collapsed like it did. It isn't.

Well I suppose its worse than "shoot "em up" cowboy mentality.

Like the bullet in the head mentality of the Communists?

I was not only talking about ww2, but if I was take a good look at a history book, date 22 June. God what class are you attending? .... was gonna say much more here, but clearly you need to read a couple of books before understandging what an invasion is.

The worlds most powerful dictator, yes Stalin, did the dumbest move in political and military history, who was it sending grain and oil to the Germans during the last few days right before the invasion?

Bravery is still bravery no matter the stupidity of governors. Man I wish you were there to feel the dirt, but you will never be there or any other Russian war to feel how it really is.

Less Russians would of died if there leaders weren't as stupid in thinking they could throw Human bodies at the Germans to repell them. Ever thought of that?

Yes there are lot of differences between our nations. In fact I can never remember Russian soldiers refusing to attack if they don't have 2 sorts of icecream and 3 of toilet paper...

I'm British, and we fought the war for a year without Allies and we didn't suffer the ridiculous losses on the Eastern front your beloved Stalin was prepared to sacrifice.

Russian soldiers attacked because if they retreated they got shot, get your facts straight, and having an army like that doesn't make it good, it makes its a poorly lead poor morale army which got defeated in Afghanistan in 89'

Next flame post of this manner without facts will be reported.

Get over the fact that the Russian Army is a big lumbering dinosaur, although I do admire them greatly in the Caucaucus.

 

[alex994]

I'm British, and we fought the war for a year without Allies and we didn't suffer the ridiculous losses on the Eastern front your beloved Stalin was prepared to sacrifice.

There is a VERY slight difference in the size of the British and Soviet Armies. I'm sure also since the British were sitting in their island preparing for an attack while the plains of Russia was being attacked during Barabossa that the Soviets would have larger casualties...

 

[Marla_Singer]

Why is there a mention to France pre1954 ? Why pre1954 ? Is this about Indochina ? Do you decently consider that choice has its place in the list ? Well, one could argue about France pre1815 I guess... but France pre1954 ? Why not Belgium pre1914 ?

 

[Bugfatty300]

Why is there a mention to France pre1954 ? Why pre1954 ? Is this about Indochina ? Do you decently consider that choice has its place in the list ? Well, one could argue about France pre1815 I guess... but France pre1954 ? Why not Belgium pre1914 ?

I think 1950s where when the French empire effectively ended, maybe?

So it would include all of French high points in power till modern France? Just my guess.

 

[Marla_Singer]

I think 1950s where when the French empire effectively ended, maybe?

So it would include all of French high points in power till modern France? Just my guess.

Well, knowing that France's military had been annihilated in 1940, the chosen date (1954) remains extremely awckward. If the purpose is to propose as choice the French army during the colonial times, then I would guess it would be better to talk about the early 20th century France.

Once you think this way, it becomes decent to consider France as a possibility, knowing the huge land army France has built and which became the most important army during the WW1 victory. My personal opinion would still remain that France has never been as powerful militarely speaking than during Napoleon times but it doesn't really matter. Anyway, no matter how you want to see it, the chosen date of 1954 remains a silly choice.

 

[Gelion]

Hahaha!! Oh man you need a history lesson, the governments and people of those countries invited them in there, besides, at least those governments are substantially more free than the toilet regimes of the former Soviet bloc.

Western Culture is the most influencial in the world because people voluntarily want to import and use our ideas. Russian Socialism was the most backward ideology on the face of the planet. Oh and at least the US didn't need to imprison 14 million of its own citizens to declare it's ideology a success

If the USA was as half as oppressive as the Soviet Union then it would of collapsed like it did. It isn't.

Like the bullet in the head mentality of the Communists?

The worlds most powerful dictator, yes Stalin, did the dumbest move in political and military history, who was it sending grain and oil to the Germans during the last few days right before the invasion?

Less Russians would of died if there leaders weren't as stupid in thinking they could throw Human bodies at the Germans to repell them. Ever thought of that?

I'm British, and we fought the war for a year without Allies and we didn't suffer the ridiculous losses on the Eastern front your beloved Stalin was prepared to sacrifice.

Russian soldiers attacked because if they retreated they got shot, get your facts straight, and having an army like that doesn't make it good, it makes its a poorly lead poor morale army which got defeated in Afghanistan in 89'

Get over the fact that the Russian Army is a big lumbering dinosaur, although I do admire them greatly in the Caucaucus.

That is one angry post. Your desire to appear "white cholour" drives you to say things you will regret.

I know my army I know the people who serve, served and will serve there. It is not pretty and it has rarely been so. However I believe most of these men do their job as best as they could possibly do no matter if they are not given the supplies they need. This is something that Russian soldiers are famous for and it will likely to remain so untill the end. You have no right to judge that untill you yourself face 5 enemy tanks with 3 grenades and your burning house behind you. Think about that....

I "came down to your level" a level of insults and meaninless national attacks. I hoped you'd feel the irony, but appparetnly it is your level. I am no more sorry for you than I am for those skinheads on the streets of my city. However apparently I am sure you are better fed and educated.

I can only advice to read your history books more carefully - they are not perfect but they list the facts you need to know. Pointless rants at other nations just because you feel your nation is better do not bring any good. When I first started to post in politican and history forum I thought I can change people's minds of help them understand Russia better and why we do what we do. I was wrong and turned into a "politician" who only talks and talks to prove his nation is best without much consideration of the context. I tried to avoid that and from now on I will do it much harder as I know how it looks. Looking at your posts and my replies to them. I know enough to be proud of my people even though we are not in our best shape at the moment. I know the ideals that drove our ancestors and how they hoped we would live, I know their deeds in our name and in the name of humanity. That is enough to make me proud and I do not need to share it with anyone else. Those who want to learn more about my country will do so, those who want to rubbish it will not get anything positive out of it.

Thank God you will never experience the horror and fear of the WW2 and the society back then. I haven't myself, but I have friends who have been through war - their stories are not pretty. And for one thing you should never laugh at someone's heroism or sacrifice even though you do not understand "why" or "how". By doing that you will only bring anger and disgust in those who do care about such things. You are making one further mistake equaling Russians to Communists, which is like to blame all Americans for genocide in Vietnam or or call all Germans Nazis. Not wise and certainly illminded. This is especially funny considering the nick you chose.

Anyways my post was not really directed at you (as you are too insignificant and young to get above yoru current level), but mostly at those who laugh at things because they either consider them far worse than "their way" (just because their nation managed to stay out of trouble for selfish reasons) or because they think that what they would do better in the same situation (not entirely true).

I think I should finish the post before I write an essay....
"Честь имею"

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Moderator Action: Alright, stand down - both communism and Gelion.

@communism, pls back up your one-liner statements.

@Gelion, pls stop being personal. Warned.

Thanks.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Get over the fact that the Russian Army is a big lumbering dinosaur, although I do admire them greatly in the Caucaucus.

The Soviet campaigns across the Gobi and in Manchuria, betw V-E and V-J Days, were also rather impressive IIRC. As well as those in the later years of the war in Europe, as the Soviets pushed the Germans back (except for the Berlin campaign perhaps).

Every army has its moments, under the proper leadership.

 

[HamaticBabylon]

How come the Americans could fly over Japan undetected or confronted, but as soon as they tried that over Germany they would be shot down immediately, during WWII?

 

[blindside]

In the Japanese air campaign the US used B-29s which could fly higher and longer whereas in Europe they used B-17s which I believe had to fly lower. Also I think the Germans were just better equipped to defend their cities than the Japanese.