Multiple leaders for one civ?

[NN23]

Do you think there are significant chances of this happening? It was one of the things that bothered me in Civ5 because i felt that civs like Russia, Germany, America were these weird amalgamations of different periods of every respective country. For example i found it dumb to play with Bismarck and to have the Panzer as a UU. Something from around that period would have been a lot better in my opinion.

Which civs would you like to have multiple leaders and who would those leaders be?

I would like to see for these leaders for ex. Russia:
- Alexander Nevsky - as a representative for early Russian history
- Catherine the Great - as a representative for Imperial Russia
- Lenin - as a representative for Modern Russia

 

[Krajzen]

Do you think there are significant chances of this happening? It was one of the things that bothered me in Civ5 because i felt that civs like Russia, Germany, America were these weird amalgamations of different periods of every respective country. For example i found it dumb to play with Bismarck and to have the Panzer as a UU. Something from around that period would have been a lot better in my opinion.

Too much job [historically realistic and animated leader with indigenous language voiceover takes few weeks iirc from some firaxis interview] for too little gain imo.

Which civs would you like to have multiple leaders and who would those leaders be?

I would like to see for these leaders for ex. Russia:
- Alexander Nevsky - as a representative for early Russian history
- Catherine the Great - as a representative for Imperial Russia
- Lenin - as a representative for Modern Russia

Yes Lenin, symbol of Russia. Installed by Germans to destabilize Russian government, one of main organisers of the civil war that killed up to 5 million people (estimates vary), one of main creators of Red Terror and fanatic political violence, human rights abuser, and demagogue whose incompetence led to the extermination of Russia under Stalinism. Initiator of an era which left 50 million people of former Russian empire dead (this was of course not direct result of his actions, but indirect result of his fanatical doctrine and inhuman concept of "revolution justifies the means").

For the love of God. Nevsky, Ivan the Great, Catherine, Peter, Alexander I, anybody but Lenin (I don't even comment on stalin). Personally I hope for Catherine, she had very distinctive personality + was actual great ruler.

 

[Ryuu Falconwing]

And it's the fact that these are the first 2 posts that will forever keep Lenin from leading Russia in Civ.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I like the production values for Civ5's leaders and I feel multiple leaders would necessitate in simplifying things. On top of that, I'm hoping each Civ plays differently and balancing UUs/UBs with two separate traits adds more balancing issues (it's OK right now to have a good or bad trait as long as everything else makes up for it). And if they didn't tie traits to those extra leaders, there would be no point.

 

[j51]

It would be neat if the multiple leaders would have different city lists and represent a single state within a larger civ (i.e. Austria and Prussia within Germany; Athens, Sparta and Macedon within Greece). These are the multi-leader civs I'd want:

American: Lincoln, TR (who it seems is in), FDR w/ Eleanor (couples!)
Akkadian: Hammurabi (Babylonia), Ashurbanipal (Assyria)
Arabian: an Umayyad ruler; Harun al-Rashid
Celts: Vercingetorix (Gaul), Boudicca (Britain)
Chinese: Qin Shi Huang, Taizong, Wu Zeitan, Yongle
Egyptian: Hatshepsut, Akhenaten w/ Nefertiti, Ramesses II
English/British: Elizabeth, Pitt the Elder!, Lord Palmerston! (Let's settle this once and for all.), Churchill
Ethiopian: Ezana, Menelik II
French: Henri IV, Louis XIV, Napoléon
German: Otto I (Saxony), Frederick II (Prussia), Maria Theresa (Austria)
Greek: Pericles (Athens), Lysander (Sparta), Alexander III (Macedon)
Indian: Asoka, Samudragupta, Akbar
Japanese: Suiko w/ Prince Shotoku, Oda Nobunage w/ Hideyoshi, Tokugawa
Malian: Sundiata, Mansa Musa
Maya: Pacal (Palenque), the Lady of Tikal (Tikal)
Mongol: Genghis Khan, Kublai Khan
Norse: Canute (Denmark/Norway), Gustavus Adolphus (Sweden)
Ottoman: Mehmed II, Suleiman w/ Roxelana
Persian: Cyrus, Khosrau, Abbas I (Let's represent other empires besides the Achaemenid.)
Roman: Julius Caesar, Augustus w/ Livia, Trajan
Russian: Ivan IV, Catherine II, V.I. Lenin
Spain: Isabella w/ Ferdinand; Charles

 

[j51]

I like the production values for Civ5's leaders and I feel multiple leaders would necessitate in simplifying things. On top of that, I'm hoping each Civ plays differently and balancing UUs/UBs with two separate traits adds more balancing issues (it's OK right now to have a good or bad trait as long as everything else makes up for it). And if they didn't tie traits to those extra leaders, there would be no point.

Tying traits, empire name, city list and playstyle to Leaders and unique units, improvements,etc. to civs could help balance. It's just more fun/colorful to have more leaders and could allow amalgamating states within civilizations, allowing for more difference between the civs, especially in over-crowded Europe and the Middle East.

 

[NN23]

Yes Lenin, symbol of Russia. Installed by Germans to destabilize Russian government, one of main organisers of the civil war that killed up to 5 million people (estimates vary), one of main creators of Red Terror and fanatic political violence, human rights abuser, and demagogue whose incompetence led to the extermination of Russia under Stalinism. Initiator of an era which left 50 million people of former Russian empire dead (this was of course not direct result of his actions, but indirect result of his fanatical doctrine and inhuman concept of "revolution justifies the means").

For the love of God. Nevsky, Ivan the Great, Catherine, Peter, Alexander I, anybody but Lenin (I don't even comment on stalin). Personally I hope for Catherine, she had very distinctive personality + was actual great ruler.

Dude, chill. I didn't say Lenin was good or evil and a perfect symbol for Russia, i merely just suggested him as a representative for post-1917 Russia (the other candidates aren't any better, nobody is perfect). I merely suggested him because of his significance for post-1917 Russia.
I agree with you that Nevsky, Ivan the Great, Peter, Catherine, Alexander I and some other Russian rulers are better representatives for Russia all-around.

 

[dexters]

Just keep the mass murderes like Stalin/Hitler/Mao off the list, no matter their current status as national heroes or not. I always found Mao and Stalin's inclusion in Civ4 a bit insulting. Both cultures have enough great leaders not to have those two. The modders will take care of them. And Hitler too.

But my point of view here is, if given a limited amount of financial resources, I rather we get a few more extra civs, than a 2nd leader for each Civ.

 

[NeverMind]

And it's the fact that these are the first 2 posts that will forever keep Lenin from leading Russia in Civ.

Well, it's not so obvious. Lenin was the leader of Russia in Civ2 and more recently in Civ Rev 2. So he is not persona non grata for Firaxis.

Although I doubt he would be picked for Civ6 since they have more traditional choices like Catherine the Great or Peter the Great.

 

[SMcM]

Well, I like this idea a lot, seeing as the leaders are clearly not very detailed looking anyway, but at this point we can be fairly sure that will not happen.

 

[Monado]

Too much job [historically realistic and animated leader with indigenous language voiceover takes few weeks iirc from some firaxis interview] for too little gain imo.

Exactly how I feel.

Multiple leaders, were something from 4 I didn't miss. I'de much rather just have an entire new civ + leader, then a leader that only gets 2/3 new uniques alongside assets already in the game.

 

[nunor]

There are already 2 threads for this...
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=569606
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=569260

 

[darko82]

There are some chances but not at the cost of new civs.

 

[joncnunn]

Let's discuss this on one of the other two posts already open
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=569606
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=569260

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