My Idea for religions (not what you think of!)

[Raisin Bran]

This is not just another thread to explain what is wrong about religions in the game.

I've been on the forum each day for at least 2 weeks and I saw a lot of threads on how religions should have less impact in the later game and that they should be more different from one to the other.

This thread is not about how religions should be, I tought of something more real-life than just lowering down the influence of religions in the later game and making them different.

First this is my opinion about religions.
Religions in the game should be all the same. Religions are different in real life but the game dosent go that deep in micro-management in all the other aspects of the game. By that I mean that the differences of religions go deeper that generating culture,commerce, science ect.
This is all I have to say about religions.

Now this is what I tought about.
In the later game religion could be relaced by "National Sport".
Professional hockey, baseball, football generates huge amounts of commerce and often bonds a nation together. So I feel that replacing religion with national sport is just plain logic ..... humans have always been known to get togeter regardless of the reason they do it, if religions loose their influences then something else should take benifit of that.
I live in Quebec canada ..... Hockey is HUGE here I know that in europe "football" is bigger than huge. In real-life religion as a lot less influence on politics commerce culture than the national sport of a lot of nations that we play in the game.

National sport shold be a tech to research.

What do you all think of this !?

 

[Glinka]

I think a good Shiraz is preferrable to a Burgundy, but hey, that's just my choice.

 

[Inspector Javert]

That's an interesting idea... pretty creative I'm a relgious person myself so I like having relgion still as a part (some countries still have a national relgion) but the option to replace it with a sport would be cool. YOu could even have great players be born and construct a Hall of Fame in the sports founding city. And have this progression (hockey is an example) Iced Lake (temple) Rink (Monastairy) Stadium (Cathedral). Great thinkin' why didn't they hire you?

 

[Inspector Javert]

And I am dead serious is that post

 

[Crighton]

why not just make the colesium upgradable to a modern sports center?

 

[Palantir30]

I've got this mental image of a city, and that little row where the religious icons are displayed; that row is replaced by a little soccer ball, a basketball, a rugby ball, a hockey puck, a baseball and whatever denoting what sports are played in that city.

When you 'invent' a sport, you can build the "Hall of Fame" for that sport, and that building gives you 1 GP for every city that plays that sport.

That is one helluva mod idea you've got there.

 

[Thasis]

Haha! That sounds so cool. I'd totally go for it for a change in pace... on a side not, I think a scientology mod is in order

 

[Bevertje]

hmm, religion has been a reason for war. sports not.

 

[Palantir30]

hmm, religion has been a reason for war. sports not.

Dont you remember 1969?

http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/sierra/soccer1969.htm

Of course, religion has been a part of far more wars, but you cannot say that sports has not.

I still think the diplomacy screen would be excellent.

-4 We are dissapointed that you have fallen under the sway of a heathen sport.

 

[thordk]

-1 "You've defeated us in the World Championships!"

 

[Meffy]

Before jumping on the "sport as religion" bandwagon ask yourselves these important questions:

* Are you ready for your own cities to declare war on each other?

* What do you think of one turn of civil disorder after every annual championship game... in the winning city??? =o.O=

* How about pay inflation? Those ath-uh-leets don't work for chicken feed, y'know. And the price of meat in uniform keeps rising exponentially.

* Does the "rally monkey" really have what it takes to achieve deity status? (ick ick ick ick)

 

[Raisin Bran]

* What do you think of one turn of civil disorder after every annual championship game... in the winning city??? =o.O=

I'd be willing to take the risk ..... would be funny

* How about pay inflation? Those ath-uh-leets don't work for chicken feed, y'know. And the price of meat in uniform keeps rising exponentially.

from what I know .... major sports raise more money than their expences

Where I live sports has more influence than religion .... more realistic and simple to do

Funny tought : Trading sports players in the diplomacy screen!

 

[Meffy]

"Great athlete 'Refrigerator' Perry has been born in a faraway land."

If anyone were to make this as a mod, I'd expect college-level sports to reduce the effectiveness of universities. "Pro" sports teams can sometimes earn enough money to support themselves, but hereabouts colleges all too often subsidize their sports programs at the expense of academics. :-(

[edit] Which is why I chose a decidedly non-commercial sport to play at uni: Quidditch. Best athletic activity ever.

 

[Codeman]

the idea sounds great and i think it would be fun to play. the more options the better.

 

[HawkeyeGS]

1) Religions are the same. I mean the 3 major religions (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) worship the same God yet they still don't get along.

2) Religion is still is a major part of the world, polotics and other things it shouldn't. Just look at the civil war forming in Iraq or listen to a speech made by Bush and count the number of "God bless America".

3) Sport? I can't really see it bringing people together. That is unless you count 'together' burning cars and bashing riot police.

 

[meisen]

Could make a new resource (hops) and improvement (brewery) to go with these new religions called sport. New specialist (cheerleader) that converts contented to happy faces.

 

[Palantir30]

If anyone were to make this as a mod, I'd expect college-level sports to reduce the effectiveness of universities. "Pro" sports teams can sometimes earn enough money to support themselves, but hereabouts colleges all too often subsidize their sports programs at the expense of academics. :-(

This actually is the opposite of reality for most American universities. Yes, a lot of money is pumped into scholarships for big sports (basketball, football primarily), and there is a lot of staff employed for the running and marketing of those sports, and the facilities dont come cheap.....but in the long haul, college sports are a revenue stream for major universities, not a cash drain.

I'm not an athlete, just a programmer/economist, so dont think to discount this message that way. I hate how some athletes at some universities (read: in my class and at my university) recieve special treatment from professors to keep them academically elligeable to play, but the reason that is done is business. Butts in seats and media deals for major sports goes a long way to financing many universities. They are a positive cash flow. They help support the rest of us who come to the university for the real intended purpose of higher education. They work for us, in other words.

 

[Raisin Bran]

3) Sport? I can't really see it bringing people together. That is unless you count 'together' burning cars and bashing riot police.

From where Im standing I see sports as religion.

1-Going to the sports center (getting together at the sportsbar) to see the game counts like going to church

2-Wanting to become a professional sports player is like worshipping a god

3-reading about statistics and playing sport pools is like reading the bible

4-A team winning a major sports competition is like seeing a miracle happening

5-A crowd doing a riot after a game is like doing a sacrifice for a god

There is many many ressemblances between religion and sports.
trust me when I say that in quebec more people worship hockey more than god

 

[SenhorDaGuerra]

hmm, religion has been a reason for war. sports not.

how about the hungarian uprising of 19mhphpmh. when the soviet union beat hungary 2-1. Hungary at the time had players such as Puskas and Koscis (Puskas a pioneer of the modern game), supposedly the best team in the world. the soviet beating the hungarians caused massive protests... and so rolled in the soviet tanks into budapest to control them...

Plus, there hasnt been a major war in the EU in 60 years. what has exploded in the last 60 years? Football. its an nationalistic non-violent outlet. i think sports is a damn fine idea. just dont call it the world series, cos then only america would be able to enter...

take it easy hombres.

 

[BlizzardGR]

Interesting...
Something like that could be added in the game without removing religion though. Religion should just have less influence later in the game.

But i do like the idea! I really want to organise the Champions League!