I tried it with greece, too. I lasted until 170 A.D. when the babylonians and dutch teamed up to quikly kill me. I got a great leader in the begining, but painfully unable to use it because i didn't have enough cities to build an army.
UN ain't happening with defiant. Space Race ain't happening with the tech pace that will happen if you're playing archi (the best map for this game), and 20K is your main choice.
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