Nairobi attacks - you'll have seen this, no doubt.

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At least 22 people have been killed after gunmen stormed a Kenyan shopping mall in a possible terrorist attack.

Men armed with AK47s and grenades opened fire today inside the Westgate Mall in the affluent Westlands area of Nairobi.

One witness to the shopping centre attack claimed the gunmen told Muslims to stand up and leave and that non-Muslims would be targeted.

Nairobi police chief Benson Kibue has called it a terrorist attack and said there are about 10 terrorists involved. The incident is still not under control.


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Tell me what to think about this, please.
 
The Left: We need more gun control.
The Right: Kenya? Thanks Obama.
 
A mixture of religious indoctrination+lack of empathy + availability of lethal arms . Really sad .Donnow whether these sort of attacks are a downtrend or uptrend . Media reports of such incidents are certainly increasing though .
 
The Somali militant group al-Shabab has said it carried out the attack.

On its Twitter feed, the al-Qaeda-linked group said it confirmed it was behind what it called the "Westgate spectacle".

Al-Shabab has carried out a string of attacks in Kenya since 2011, when Kenyan troops moved into southern Somalia to fight the militants there.

Some eyewitnesses told AFP news agency they had heard the gunmen speaking Arabic or Somali.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24186780

On its own Twitter account, al-Shabab said it had "on numerous occasions warned the Kenyan government that failure to remove its forces from Somalia would have severe consequences".

Kenyan troops have been fighting al-Shabab in Somalia, where the anti-government group is seeking to impose Islamic law and has carried out numerous attacks.

Kenya has been hit by a spate of attacks including hand grenades and bombs since it sent troops to southern Somalia in late 2011 to attack al-Shabab bases.
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2013/09/2013921174856564470.html
 
From BBC

At least 59 people were killed and 175 injured in Saturday's attack on a Nairobi shopping centre, the Kenyan interior minister has said.

Joe Lenku said 1,000 people had managed to escape from the Westgate centre after the assault by suspected al-Shabab militants.

He added that between 10 to 15 attackers were still in the building
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24193059

There are reports of Israeli advisors helping in some way to to storm the shopping centre.
 
Silurian said:
There are reports of Israeli advisors helping in some way to to storm the shopping centre.
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Just to clarify this, that means Israelis are helping try to subdue the people who initially attacked the shopping center. I jaw-dropped when I first read that because I thought it was suggesting the Israelis helped in the initial assault that killed the innocents.
 
But wait. Al Shabab are doing this because of the intervention in Somalia by Kenyan forces trying to help the Somalia government prevent an Islamic takeover?
 
Sorry for the confusion.

No the reports are of Israeli’s helping by giving advice or actively fighting the terrorists.
 
Last year, Muslims started protecting Kenyan churches after the attacks by suspected Somali Al Shabab militants killed 17 people:

Kenyan Muslims are joining the police in protecting churches in the northeastern province where Christians have come under increased attack from suspected Somali Al Shabab Islamic militants.

Following July 1 attacks on churches in the town of Garissa – close to the Kenyan-Somali border – local Muslim leaders have decided to provide their own protection to the churches of their Christian neighbors. Last Sunday, July 8, local Muslim youths and their leaders patrolled with the police during church services, and no attacks were reported.

The patrols are a strong statement of rejection for the militant methods and ideology of Al Shabab, the Somali Islamist militant group that is suspected of carrying out the July 1 attacks in Garissa. By targeting Christians, militants in northern Kenya appear to be punishing Kenya for sending troops into Somalia to attack Al Shabab, and to prop up the shaky Somali government.
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Some Christian groups now warn they will not “keep turning the other cheek.”
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Borachio said:
But wait. Al Shabab are doing this because of the intervention in Somalia by Kenyan forces trying to help the Somalia government prevent an Islamic takeover?
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That is their official justification. But in reality any means will do for them. What happened in Kenya is a warning to the rest of the world.
 
A warning of what? Are we strangers to terrorism? I didn't think we were.
 
classical_hero said:
That is their official justification. But in reality any means will do for them. What happened in Kenya is a warning to the rest of the world.
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Some obscure terrorist group in Somalia is going to fly to Australia because they hate your freedom?
 
what-you-need-know-about-al-shabab

Those under al-Shabab rule are subject to the most draconian interpretation of Sharia law, which is violently enforced. Football and music are banned, women are forced to cover their faces in public, and are lashed if they don’t obey. Al-Shabab officially joined Al Qaeda in February 2012, but has long aligned itself with Al Qaeda’s narrative of global jihad, and was first designated by the US as a terrorist organisation in 2008. In 2010 it carried out its first overseas terrorist attack, when two suicide bombers killed 67 people watching the World Cup Final in Kampala, Uganda. Since 2011 al-Shabab has carried out a number of smaller attacks on bars, tourist resorts, churches and military sites in Kenya.

One puzzling aspect of al-Shabab’s latest attack is that many believed al-Shabab was weakening. In September 2012 it was forced out of the strategic port town of Kismayo. The same year, Somalia's first formal parliament in more than 20 years was sworn in, a sign of improved security and confidence. On 16 September this year, the Somali government secured ₤1.5bn funding from the EU to rebuild the country.

Al-Shabab has also fallen victim to infighting. Its co-founder Ibrahim al-Afghani was killed earlier this year, and several high profile members fled or turned themselves in to government forces following a coup by Ahmed Abdi Godane. Godane is believed to be a keen advocate of closer association with Al Qaeda, and as early as July this year, analysts predicted that Godane’s leadership would lead to an escalation of violence.

As Simon Tisdall concludes in today’s Guardian: "The terrorists are divided and losing ground. But they seem determined to go down fighting."
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all I can see is:

The perps all belong to the same religion
The perps allowed people of the same religion to leave
The perps then started killing people who were NOT their religion.

Possibly.....people should be concerned about members of that religion.
 
Chiteng said:
all I can see is:

The perps all belong to the same religion
The perps allowed people of the same religion to leave
The perps then started killing people who were NOT their religion.

Possibly.....people should be concerned about members of that religion.
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Submitted to FSTDT. Congratulations.
Please reveal whose DL you are.
 
Chiteng said:
all I can see is:

The perps all belong to the same religion
The perps allowed people of the same religion to leave
The perps then started killing people who were NOT their religion.

Possibly.....people should be concerned about members of that religion.
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Yeah, the RCC scares the hell out of me as well.
 
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