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From http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050919/full/050919-1.html

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NASA has unveiled full details of their plan to send astronauts to the Moon and Mars.

The Agency says it will spend US$104 billion to put humans back on the Moon by 2018. The first trip will send four astronauts to the lunar surface for a seven-day visit. That's much more ambitious than previous Apollo missions, during which two astronauts spent up to three days on the Moon.

"Think of it as Apollo on steroids," says NASA chief Mike Griffin, who presented the Exploration Systems Architecture Study to White House officials on 14 September, and to the wider public today.

Although President George W. Bush outlined his 'Vision for Space Exploration' on 14 January 2004 in very broad terms, this study pins down how NASA will actually make the vision work on a realistic budget.

Observers were most interested in the details revealed today for the new Crew Exploration Vehicle (CEV), which will be NASA's flagship once the Shuttle fleet retires in 2010.

Two aerospace consortia are working on proposals for this craft: Lockheed Martin Corporation lead one group, and the Northrop Grumman Corporation and Boeing head the other. Both teams will now tweak their early CEV designs to fit the detailed requirements unveiled by NASA. A final design will be chosen in early 2006.

Bigger and better

The CEV will look like a larger version of the Apollo craft, with a cone-shaped command module that will carry astronauts safely back to Earth using parachutes, rather than gliding in like the shuttle. It will sport solar panels for power while it is in space, and its engines will burn a mixture of liquid methane and liquid oxygen. Previous craft have burned other liquid fuels, but experts hope that methane and oxygen might one day be harvested from other worlds or moons for refuelling.

Each craft should be able to make five to ten trips before being retired, says Griffin, and they should be abut ten times safer than the space shuttle system. This is because the CEV will sit on top of a modified solid rocket booster, keeping the astronauts well out of the way of any falling debris. It will also boast an 'escape tower' that should allow the crew to bail out in the event of a launch failure.

The craft should be ready by 2012, and will initially ferry up to six astronauts to and from the International Space Station. An unmanned version of the CEV could also be used to deliver cargo.

But getting to the Moon will be slightly more complicated. NASA plans to first haul a heavy load of a lunar lander and accompanying rocket into orbit around the Earth. This requires them to start working on new engines capable of hauling this 125 tonne load. Astronauts would then use the lighter CEV to get up to the lunar lander, and use the rocket to cart them to the Moon. Then, as in the Apollo missions, they would leave the CEV to make the descent to the surface. After their week's stay, astronauts would then return to the CEV for their journey home to Earth.


Moonwalking

The mission plan aims to leave as much equipment on the lunar surface as possible, to help build future Moon bases. It also allows access to anywhere on the Moon, unlike the Apollo missions that were restricted to equatorial regions.


This means that astronauts could explore the Moon's poles, where water ice probably nestles in shadowed craters. Exploiting the Moon's natural resources is essential if NASA is to have a permanently manned base there. Once the programme is up and running, Griffin anticipates two Moon mission each year.

"We didn't set out to make this look like Apollo," says Griffin. The marked similarities between the missions "demonstrate that by and large the Apollo folk got it right," he says.

Griffin also insists that the project does not require any extra cash beyond the normal NASA budget. "This is not about taking money from the science programme for human spaceflight," he adds.



Well, at the end I copied the full article :D


Anybody else thinks that 2018 is way too far away?

The moonbase thing sounds cool. Much like Space 1999 (The series)

If they don't hurry up, the chinese could get first this time.
 
Why exactly should a base be built on the moon? Granted, it's an interesting idea, but what would be gained scientifically by such a (extremely expensive) venture?
 
Bootstoots said:
Why exactly should a base be built on the moon? Granted, it's an interesting idea, but what would be gained scientifically by such a (extremely expensive) venture?

Mining a rare isotope of Hydrogen from the moon.
 
Bah! NASA is spending the same amount as it did in the 60s but accomplishing 1% as much. We need another Cold War to give NASA a goal.
 
blackheart said:
Mining a rare isotope of Hydrogen from the moon.

There are only three, Proton, deuterium and tritium. and there are even more "rare" in the moon than on Earth. But the idea could be good for uranium/Helium.
 
Urederra said:
There are only three, Proton, deuterium and tritium. and there are even more "rare" in the moon than on Earth. But the idea could be good for uranium/Helium.

I'm pretty sure he means Helium 3. Very useful for a fusion reactor.
 
the article said:
this study pins down how NASA will actually make the vision work on a realistic budget.

Ha!

An interesting idea, I think it would absolutely be cool to go the moon. Worthwhile? Probably not. It's well known that this will go WAY over budget, and with NASA's recent track record, I'm not sure they're ready to go to the moon...

Especially since they don't think they're ready to go into orbit at all right now...
 
blackheart said:
BTW I think you meant protium instead of proton.

Yeah, protium is more appropriate, but I am not used to that name. A protium nucleus is composed of a proton, nothing more, nothing (Edit: else). A protium atom is a proton and an electron. So, basically is splitting hairs.
 
Another article in the same vein...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/09/050920074456.htm

How We'll Get Back To The Moon

Before the end of the next decade, NASA astronauts will again explore the surface of the moon. And this time, we're going to stay, building outposts and paving the way for eventual journeys to Mars and beyond. There are echoes of the iconic images of the past, but it won't be your grandfather's moon shot.

This journey begins soon, with development of a new spaceship. Building on the best of Apollo and shuttle technology, NASA's creating a 21st century exploration system that will be affordable, reliable, versatile, and safe.

The centerpiece of this system is a new spacecraft designed to carry four astronauts to and from the moon, support up to six crewmembers on future missions to Mars, and deliver crew and supplies to the International Space Station.

The new crew vehicle will be shaped like an Apollo capsule, but it will be three times larger, allowing four astronauts to travel to the moon at a time.

The new spacecraft has solar panels to provide power, and both the capsule and the lunar lander use liquid methane in their engines. Why methane? NASA is thinking ahead, planning for a day when future astronauts can convert Martian atmospheric resources into methane fuel.

The new ship can be reused up to 10 times. After the craft parachutes to dry land (with a splashdown as a backup option), NASA can easily recover it, replace the heat shield and launch it again.

Coupled with the new lunar lander, the system sends twice as many astronauts to the surface as Apollo, and they can stay longer, with the initial missions lasting four to seven days. And while Apollo was limited to landings along the moon's equator, the new ship carries enough propellant to land anywhere on the moon's surface.

Once a lunar outpost is established, crews could remain on the lunar surface for up to six months. The spacecraft can also operate without a crew in lunar orbit, eliminating the need for one astronaut to stay behind while others explore the surface.

Safe and reliable

The launch system that will get the crew off the ground builds on powerful, reliable shuttle propulsion elements. Astronauts will launch on a rocket made up of a single shuttle solid rocket booster, with a second stage powered by a shuttle main engine.

A second, heavy-lift system uses a pair of longer solid rocket boosters and five shuttle main engines to put up to 125 metric tons in orbit -- about one and a half times the weight of a shuttle orbiter. This versatile system will be used to carry cargo and to put the components needed to go to the moon and Mars into orbit. The heavy-lift rocket can be modified to carry crew as well.

Best of all, these launch systems are 10 times safer than the shuttle because of an escape rocket on top of the capsule that can quickly blast the crew away if launch problems develop. There's also little chance of damage from launch vehicle debris, since the capsule sits on top of the rocket.

The Flight Plan

In just five years, the new ship will begin to ferry crew and supplies to the International Space Station. Plans call for as many as six trips to the outpost a year. In the meantime, robotic missions will lay the groundwork for lunar exploration. In 2018, humans will return to the moon. Here's how a mission would unfold:

A heavy-lift rocket blasts off, carrying a lunar lander and a "departure stage" needed to leave Earth's orbit. The crew launches separately, then docks their capsule with the lander and departure stage and heads for the moon.

Three days later, the crew goes into lunar orbit. The four astronauts climb into the lander, leaving the capsule to wait for them in orbit. After landing and exploring the surface for seven days, the crew blasts off in a portion of the lander, docks with the capsule and travels back to Earth. After a de-orbit burn, the service module is jettisoned, exposing the heat shield for the first time in the mission. The parachutes deploy, the heat shield is dropped and the capsule sets down on dry land.

'Into the Cosmos'

With a minimum of two lunar missions per year, momentum will build quickly toward a permanent outpost. Crews will stay longer and learn to exploit the moon's resources, while landers make one way trips to deliver cargo. Eventually, the new system could rotate crews to and from a lunar outpost every six months.

Planners are already looking at the lunar south pole as a candidate for an outpost because of concentrations of hydrogen thought to be in the form of water ice, and an abundance of sunlight to provide power.

These plans give NASA a huge head start in getting to Mars. We will already have the heavy-lift system needed to get there, as well as a versatile crew capsule and propulsion systems that can make use of Martian resources. A lunar outpost just three days away from Earth will give us needed practice of "living off the land" away from our home planet, before making the longer trek to Mars.
050920074456.jpg

NASA's new crew exploration vehicle in lunar orbit. (Artist's concept by John Frassanito and Associates)
 
Bluemofia said:
Bah! NASA is spending the same amount as it did in the 60s but accomplishing 1% as much. We need another Cold War to give NASA a goal.

Actually, it'll cost about half of what the apollo program cost. (my newspaper said 55%) And it'll also kick off the construction of permenent bases on the Moon... perhaps even colonization on a small scale. Granted, it seems a lot more romantic to colonize Mars, but the Moon is probably more practical. (And a lot closer to Earth, making it easier to test and develop technology for settling other planets)

Interestingly enough, it'll cost less to invade the Moon than it cost to invade Iraq...
 
Sheesh! What a waste of time and money - yet another 'coldwar' stars and stripes photo op?

How about, instead, scrap NASA - a bureaucratically bloated and out-dated insitution, and post a US$50billion cash prize for the first high efficiency single stage to orbit craft.

Alternatively, let's stick with this plan - 104 billion up the nose and not a useful thing to show. :goodjob:
 
Hundegesicht said:
Interestingly enough, it'll cost less to invade the Moon than it cost to invade Iraq...

That's an interesting fact.

It might be considered in the same light, the USA could well have funded the development of technologies to expand spaceward in a real way, if only it's budged focused less on armaments and more on it's future...

Well, at least 104billion is something... :confused:
 
At first, I was thinking someone was trying to take over Knight-Dragon's science article poster. Then I saw:

Why exactly should a base be built on the moon? Granted, it's an interesting idea, but what would be gained scientifically by such a (extremely expensive) venture?

We could build nuke bases up there and bombard all that appose us :evil:
 
I thought that methane was a bi-product of biological processes such as decomposition and digestion. How does NASA propose to harvest it from dead planets for which their is no evidence of them having supported life?

Even if you say that Mars did support life, would there be sufficient biomass to make the harvesting of Methane, a realistic endeavour?
 
Nobody said:
we should colonise mars then fight a war against mars. a galtical war would be great
Well it wouldn't be very galactical if it only involves Mars and Earth :mischief:

His Space-Exploration program is one of the very few thinks I like about Bush :)
 
stormbind said:
I thought that methane was a bi-product of biological processes such as decomposition and digestion. How does NASA propose to harvest it from dead planets for which their is no evidence of them having supported life?

Even if you say that Mars did support life, would there be sufficient biomass to make the harvesting of Methane, a realistic endeavour?

methane is a byproduct of biological processes, but also is a naturally ocurring molecule.

From http://www.solarviews.com/eng/uranus.htm

solarviews said:
The atmosphere of Uranus is composed of 83% hydrogen, 15% helium, 2% methane and small amounts of acetylene and other hydrocarbons.
It seems that when Uranus was discovered they expected it to have methane in it, that's why they give it that name. :lol: :joke:

The other big planets in the solar system and their satellites also have methane in their atmosphere.
 
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