RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Go ahead Kossin, I agree with Obs about construction (hold if u can). Good luck! 
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Sorry, I got side-tracked!
I finished Education and stopped...
I'm really not sure JC is going for us anymore, he seems to be building Galleys from one our the cities on our island...
if he's after us.
I built 2 more workers... improvement was just going too slow for my linking on gem island. We should be able to start GT pretty soon, as a result I did not whip Parthenon city to build up population.
T+0
Made the academy..
Cancel Fish deal to Izzy for 1gpt
Trade for Sury's map and Calendar.
T+2
Hindu spreads... nowhere useful and by now there are many religious blocks. However it is the AP religion so we could spread it for the hammers... and to block AP votes...
T+3
Speaking of the wolf... stupid AP...
I cancelled our deals with Fred to avoid him ignore us for 2000 years as everybody hates him.
Bad news... we can't cross to the Dutch! wb got stuck because of closed borders after I turned it around.
New horse deal:
T+4
AP passes... duh.
Building galleys on our island???
T+6
Education in...
F4 Tech screen
Lincoln got Optics, try to buy his map every few turns (I already did) and every turn once he gets a Caravel out.
We can get this deal from Izzy.
Which we could then try to trade to Sal for Construction...
Queued a Uni in capital, it's worth quite a few beakers but we'd get better H:b conversion with a Monastery... so probably keep building Berzerkers to kill someone.
Thoughts?
I finished Education and stopped...
I'm really not sure JC is going for us anymore, he seems to be building Galleys from one our the cities on our island...
if he's after us.I built 2 more workers... improvement was just going too slow for my linking on gem island. We should be able to start GT pretty soon, as a result I did not whip Parthenon city to build up population.
T+0
Made the academy..
Cancel Fish deal to Izzy for 1gpt
Trade for Sury's map and Calendar.
Spoiler :
T+2
Hindu spreads... nowhere useful and by now there are many religious blocks. However it is the AP religion so we could spread it for the hammers... and to block AP votes...
Spoiler :
T+3
Speaking of the wolf... stupid AP...
Spoiler :
I cancelled our deals with Fred to avoid him ignore us for 2000 years as everybody hates him.
Spoiler :
Bad news... we can't cross to the Dutch! wb got stuck because of closed borders after I turned it around.
Spoiler :
New horse deal:
Spoiler :
T+4
AP passes... duh.
Spoiler :
Building galleys on our island???
Spoiler :
T+6
Education in...
F4 Tech screen
Spoiler :
Lincoln got Optics, try to buy his map every few turns (I already did) and every turn once he gets a Caravel out.
We can get this deal from Izzy.
Spoiler :
Which we could then try to trade to Sal for Construction...
Queued a Uni in capital, it's worth quite a few beakers but we'd get better H:b conversion with a Monastery... so probably keep building Berzerkers to kill someone.
Thoughts?
obsolete
Deity
Hmm, do we want to take astronomy... or nationalism with lib...
Also, I think we should take 2 berserkers over to the barb city with axes, and train one up to level 4.
I'd also switch fantopoly to making missionaries to spread our blocking votes.
Also, I think we should take 2 berserkers over to the barb city with axes, and train one up to level 4.
I'd also switch fantopoly to making missionaries to spread our blocking votes.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
good trading... I wouldn't go for feudalism and construct while we can delay them, I would rather sell small techs for cash right now to delay building up WFYABTA. We will need to trade for quite some time still I guess. Otherwise those trades look decents (ie if u want feud and construct. this looks like the way to do them).
liberalism: I would take the biggest ie take astro and tech (yeah it's lame isn't it?) nationalism (no one with CS so we have time).
Then on to chemistry.
IMO Oxford is a priority (after Globe). Even if the monastary has a better B:H ratio right now, he won't unlock OU
So uni for me in the cap if we aren't about to declare or be declared on. Grabbing those barb cites will be good as well to boost our trade routes network!
edit: if JC goes for Fred: this would be ideal time to dogpile and take the Mausoleum before finishing the Taj. unlikely but to keep in mind.
liberalism: I would take the biggest ie take astro and tech (yeah it's lame isn't it?) nationalism (no one with CS so we have time).
Then on to chemistry.
IMO Oxford is a priority (after Globe). Even if the monastary has a better B:H ratio right now, he won't unlock OU
So uni for me in the cap if we aren't about to declare or be declared on. Grabbing those barb cites will be good as well to boost our trade routes network!edit: if JC goes for Fred: this would be ideal time to dogpile and take the Mausoleum before finishing the Taj. unlikely but to keep in mind.
I didn't want to waste a bunch of food by whipping the granary right away, seeing as we have to borrow the fish to grow.
@RRR
If we want beaker multipliers, I'd go for the Monastery first. * Home * will be fast enough to complete its University well before any of the other cities regardless of not starting it right away.
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I think the rest makes sense, we don't absolutely need Construction right away and certainly not Feuda.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Ofc! (I must remember to open the save THEN post
)edit: selling techs: Keep selling to backwards Izzy and Sury.
We should prolly raze Apache and resettle the other island with fish (more production this way).
War: when do we go on rampage mode? Frigates seem needed to dominate the sea (and I can't wait to decimate them with airships
), but maybe berseks/trebs should be good enough for the first AI. I guess the globe will be ready by then though not sure about the HE. I wouldn't build barracks in our islands for now, they are likely to whip boats later on anyway. Gold if no science/prod multipliers imo.workers: road and sell additional ivories! (ie that one camp south should have been made after the road
)
obsolete
Deity
If it is up to us, I don't mind waiting to war until we have Frigates, that way we can BOTH knock down walls, and use our UU in the same turn for what it is for. We could sink like 15 boats in one turn from Julius that way
I would cancel the granary in Fantopoly and just use the hammers to get one missionary a turn...
Getting out oxford is a long.. long time way. Probably best to whip them in enemy cities.
I would cancel the granary in Fantopoly and just use the hammers to get one missionary a turn...
Getting out oxford is a long.. long time way. Probably best to whip them in enemy cities.
obsolete
Deity
Hmm, were you guys wanting to save up the pop to do a 6-pop whip in Parthenon city for the university? I assumed you wanted it for the Globe, but there is a hefty penalty for whipping wonders.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
I think it's best to build the globe regularly THEN whip it down to size 6 (screw uni there, better whip them in conquiered cities as u said)
(screw uni there, better whip them in conquiered cities as u said)
obsolete
Deity
Ok I am happy to do the deal with Izzy, need gold to pay for maps, etc. Also, AI's tend to often not trade to you down the road when you plan on it, making you wish you took advantage of the feudalism deal when it was available (yes, I know we don't really NEED feudalism right now...)
So.. I tech up Liberalism, but I'll have to pause it on the last turn to get Optics & compass (maybe trade for it?).
Also, a lot can happen soon. If a war breaks out and I am asked to dogpile, should I do a FAKE-WAR against other nations, or play it safe and refuse if asked. And what if I am asked to switch to a religion, does it matter or should I stay neutral...
So.. I tech up Liberalism, but I'll have to pause it on the last turn to get Optics & compass (maybe trade for it?).
Also, a lot can happen soon. If a war breaks out and I am asked to dogpile, should I do a FAKE-WAR against other nations, or play it safe and refuse if asked. And what if I am asked to switch to a religion, does it matter or should I stay neutral...
obsolete
Deity
What really pains me, is if only we had a level 4 unit, we could whip the hero epic with our marble bonus, and then get another 100% whipping bonus on each unit there-after if it's military.
Grrrrrr...
Grrrrrr...
No way a university...
whip Berserkers into Globe... maybe a late whip to save some turns.
I like the idea of farming a lvl 4 unit off the barb Axes. This would really help with cranking out units fast.
I'd also prefer to wait for Frigates, this way we don't even have to care about Construction for a while.
The only problem with Astro is we lose SH thus Monuments thus 1 happy per city... shouldn't be a problem however as we have a hefty cap at the moment.
Fantopoly: might as well whip the granary into a missionary unless we must spread Hindu ASAP in which case 3 turns sooner is worth the lost food.
obsolete
Deity
Good, because I REALLY didn't want to do that...
Alright, we are agreed...
Another mark against Charismatic. I am really thinking now that Stalin of Vikings would have been much better...
The good news is we get level 3 boats out of the gate with Drydocks!
obsolete
Deity
Jesus Christ, what's with the new Token Expirey sh!t on the forum. Hitting refresh doesn't even work...
Anyhow, things went very badly..
We got DoWed first upon by Gilga who landed right into Parthenon city. There was a small chance I could have re-captured it back, but then stupid Julius also hits us from the capital side, so I had to wall up the capital.
Spent the entire turn-set stuck defending and no one wants to even talk to us at this point. We also lost another city off in the east to Julius who decided to SNIPE one which was un-defended when he Dogpiled us.
So... there is some good news in this though. That's only what happened in the ALTERNATE UNIVERSE. In the REAL universe that Obsolete plays, Gilga instead DoWed on Willem, and stupid Julius is STILL busy on weehorn. Sorry if I gave you a hart-attack just now, haha!
Anyhow, we did get some negative diplo because of some tech trades I did (with just 2 cities Izzy broke our monopoly on CS in like 2 turns). I didn't get a message of a great person pop, so what exactly happened there? Insane bonuses?
And I refused the AI's to make me cancel borders with everyone else. We have the lighthouse for a REASON. Don't lose trade routes please.
Also, since we will have a golden age soon with the Taj, it seems at this point we should flip into the AP religion to double our voting power, and also I started to trade for stone and work on the UoS this turn (will take 5 total). We are going to have the AP buildings in all cities, so lets get it now.
I spread around Hindu a little, and upgraded a trireme in order to scout out the navigation bonus. That American leader is being so stupid, they might as well call him Bush. He's not even circumnavigating, and I just checked world map again. Giving him too many free 5 gold coins for useless maps it seems.
I settled one more GE into the capital BTW.
Also, we can whip the Globe this turn for half our pop, or we can continue with the over-flow deal. I haven't even done a rough estimate on the math yet, so you guys can figure that one out...
P.S. One berserker has been waiting to heal for many turns, we are one attack left from Level 4.... Please wait until he's fully healed, for some reason we almost lost him earlier on.
Also, our 2 workers near capital were busy doing improvements so I didn't get time to build a fort or two for our other happy resources south of capital (yeah, I feel guilty), but we will (most likely) settle a city there anyway.... just depends on WTH Julius is up too.
Oh yeah, and the worst catastrophe is... I FORGOT AGAIN to build cottages!!! OMG, we are so dead now... Maybe we should recruit one of the many self-proclaimed experts from the 'General' area of the forum and just maybe they can bail us out of this mess. But we'd need a miracle now...
Anyhow, things went very badly..
We got DoWed first upon by Gilga who landed right into Parthenon city. There was a small chance I could have re-captured it back, but then stupid Julius also hits us from the capital side, so I had to wall up the capital.
Spent the entire turn-set stuck defending and no one wants to even talk to us at this point. We also lost another city off in the east to Julius who decided to SNIPE one which was un-defended when he Dogpiled us.
So... there is some good news in this though. That's only what happened in the ALTERNATE UNIVERSE. In the REAL universe that Obsolete plays, Gilga instead DoWed on Willem, and stupid Julius is STILL busy on weehorn. Sorry if I gave you a hart-attack just now, haha!
Anyhow, we did get some negative diplo because of some tech trades I did (with just 2 cities Izzy broke our monopoly on CS in like 2 turns). I didn't get a message of a great person pop, so what exactly happened there? Insane bonuses?
And I refused the AI's to make me cancel borders with everyone else. We have the lighthouse for a REASON. Don't lose trade routes please.
Also, since we will have a golden age soon with the Taj, it seems at this point we should flip into the AP religion to double our voting power, and also I started to trade for stone and work on the UoS this turn (will take 5 total). We are going to have the AP buildings in all cities, so lets get it now.
I spread around Hindu a little, and upgraded a trireme in order to scout out the navigation bonus. That American leader is being so stupid, they might as well call him Bush. He's not even circumnavigating, and I just checked world map again. Giving him too many free 5 gold coins for useless maps it seems.
I settled one more GE into the capital BTW.
Also, we can whip the Globe this turn for half our pop, or we can continue with the over-flow deal. I haven't even done a rough estimate on the math yet, so you guys can figure that one out...
P.S. One berserker has been waiting to heal for many turns, we are one attack left from Level 4.... Please wait until he's fully healed, for some reason we almost lost him earlier on.
Also, our 2 workers near capital were busy doing improvements so I didn't get time to build a fort or two for our other happy resources south of capital (yeah, I feel guilty), but we will (most likely) settle a city there anyway.... just depends on WTH Julius is up too.
Oh yeah, and the worst catastrophe is... I FORGOT AGAIN to build cottages!!! OMG, we are so dead now... Maybe we should recruit one of the many self-proclaimed experts from the 'General' area of the forum and just maybe they can bail us out of this mess. But we'd need a miracle now...
Checking save now and will edit in afterwards.
EDIT:
Very nice going!
I'd loooove to sink JC's fleet... he has so few units in Beijing... maybe in 20 turns if he keeps building useless ships.
Very good progress on Globe, it will be up and running shortly!
Some resource deals can be re-negotiated.
So what next... UoS>TM in * Home *
Nationalism>...>Chemistry
HE after GT...
...keep spamming troops and prepare for war slowly...
Do we want to settle a couple more cities? Some of them could be beneficial but we seemed tied up in hammers.
obsolete
Deity
Well we should do at least a short set where we finish Nationalism and then see...
Kossin, if RRR doesn't show up later this evening, did you want to take over another turn for tonight?
I did not re-negotiate resource deals because I happen to have a habbit where the AI suddenly refuses to re-negotiate when I cancel stuff.
Anyhow, after the Globe is done, keep putting the OF into the Hero Epic. Just remember our berserker is 1 battle short right now of unlocking it.
I would forget about settling any other spots for the next 20 turns.
Kossin, if RRR doesn't show up later this evening, did you want to take over another turn for tonight?
I did not re-negotiate resource deals because I happen to have a habbit where the AI suddenly refuses to re-negotiate when I cancel stuff.
Anyhow, after the Globe is done, keep putting the OF into the Hero Epic. Just remember our berserker is 1 battle short right now of unlocking it.
I would forget about settling any other spots for the next 20 turns.
obsolete
Deity
Damnit, I didn't think I'd get a response this evening so I played up to end of nationalism. That's ok you can still play on tonight, I'll post results here in a bit...
* Edit *
Alright, Nationalism is done, what to research now to get to frigates the fastest may take some thinking...
Anyhow, will take the capital 6 turns to build the Taj from start to finish. Also we poped a priest right this turn, but I didn't settle him yet, just incase someone had some bright ideas on doing something fancy.... as long as it's not a bulb of theology of course
As soon as Taj is in, switch to Hindu or our UoS will be wasted hammers.
I guess we may want to trade for theology along the way so at the end of our GA we switch to Theo?
Our globe can be built manually this turn, but instead whip the monastery next turn, put OF into Globe, and then put the double-of into the Hero Epic. Don't forget to whip the harbor in that city at one point. We don't have to whip just units...
I razed Apache.. don't want to pay colonial maintenance, and we can settle down south to grab the sea-source still.
We have a berserker at level 4, please leave him on bodyguard, while you train the other berserker up to level 4 against the other barb city on the copper. (I guess raze that one too).
There are islands elsewhere on the map we can still grab, as can be seen. Also, make sure you buy America's world map EVERY TURN. Costs 5 gold, just don't ever give him YOUR map. He is scouting West, we are scouting East now. It's very close to the meet point. Just watch out our carval got attacked by barbs, so try to keep it either in ocean tiles, or 1 off from the shallow waters of the SHORE so we don't get another barb galley hitting us, or we are sunk.
I opened borders with Frederik when he asked. I don't care if anyone gets mad at us now, I want the extra routes.
* Edit *
Alright, Nationalism is done, what to research now to get to frigates the fastest may take some thinking...
Anyhow, will take the capital 6 turns to build the Taj from start to finish. Also we poped a priest right this turn, but I didn't settle him yet, just incase someone had some bright ideas on doing something fancy.... as long as it's not a bulb of theology of course
As soon as Taj is in, switch to Hindu or our UoS will be wasted hammers.
I guess we may want to trade for theology along the way so at the end of our GA we switch to Theo?
Our globe can be built manually this turn, but instead whip the monastery next turn, put OF into Globe, and then put the double-of into the Hero Epic. Don't forget to whip the harbor in that city at one point. We don't have to whip just units...
I razed Apache.. don't want to pay colonial maintenance, and we can settle down south to grab the sea-source still.
We have a berserker at level 4, please leave him on bodyguard, while you train the other berserker up to level 4 against the other barb city on the copper. (I guess raze that one too).
There are islands elsewhere on the map we can still grab, as can be seen. Also, make sure you buy America's world map EVERY TURN. Costs 5 gold, just don't ever give him YOUR map. He is scouting West, we are scouting East now. It's very close to the meet point. Just watch out our carval got attacked by barbs, so try to keep it either in ocean tiles, or 1 off from the shallow waters of the SHORE so we don't get another barb galley hitting us, or we are sunk.
I opened borders with Frederik when he asked. I don't care if anyone gets mad at us now, I want the extra routes.
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