pineappledan
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I never once said that galleys don’t exist elsewhere, but nice try. The Scandinavian longships were also galleys, but the transition from smaller, lower paddled craft is more evident and cleaner there.
Mediterranean triremes etc in comparison are extremely unorthodox in their design and construction. Having multiple banks of rowers stacked on each other is weird, not default. Using mortise and tenon, hull-first construction is weird. Skeleton-first and Lash-lug techniques, later replaced by iron fasteners, with clinker-built hulls is much more typical and found in many more places around the world like Africa and Austronesia. It also makes a cleaner transition into carvel built ships later. So in addition to having more of their design carried forward, early Scandinavian ships also look more “normal”.
Irrespective of being designed in Portugal, The carrack and galleon are descended from the Cog, principally.
Unless you actually want a full line of galley boats going into the 17th century. Maybe transitioning into Monitors or other littoral craft? I don’t see whatever point you are trying to make by bringing up the galleass et al. unless you’re going to argue with a straight face that we should have shallow water-only units continue as their own line, or that a galleass should be picked as a default unit over more seaworthy contemporary designs like a galleon, there’s no point bringing that up. Italian-built later galleys like the galleass carry almost nothing forward from the triremes. As I said, Those ships were a dead end that disappeared around the 5th century.
Mediterranean triremes etc in comparison are extremely unorthodox in their design and construction. Having multiple banks of rowers stacked on each other is weird, not default. Using mortise and tenon, hull-first construction is weird. Skeleton-first and Lash-lug techniques, later replaced by iron fasteners, with clinker-built hulls is much more typical and found in many more places around the world like Africa and Austronesia. It also makes a cleaner transition into carvel built ships later. So in addition to having more of their design carried forward, early Scandinavian ships also look more “normal”.
Irrespective of being designed in Portugal, The carrack and galleon are descended from the Cog, principally.
Unless you actually want a full line of galley boats going into the 17th century. Maybe transitioning into Monitors or other littoral craft? I don’t see whatever point you are trying to make by bringing up the galleass et al. unless you’re going to argue with a straight face that we should have shallow water-only units continue as their own line, or that a galleass should be picked as a default unit over more seaworthy contemporary designs like a galleon, there’s no point bringing that up. Italian-built later galleys like the galleass carry almost nothing forward from the triremes. As I said, Those ships were a dead end that disappeared around the 5th century.
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